Douglas Murray And Roger Scruton On The Future Of Conservatism & Debate | The Spectator

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  • Published on Jun 17, 2019
  • Douglas Murray: In conversation with Roger Scruton.
    We bring together two of the sharpest - and controversial - minds in Britain to discuss: What does it mean to be a conservative?
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Comments • 554

  • fynes leigh
    fynes leigh 7 hours ago

    I wish they would at least define their Oh so wonderful "the right" and their Oh so terrible "the left" respectively.
    In practice people seem to adopt the terms left and right as synonyms of good or evil depending on their point of view or more accurately their likes and dislikes, for what else are good and evil?

  • Simone Andrade
    Simone Andrade 9 hours ago

    Thanks for posting! Rest in peace Sir Roger Scruton. You were a Light for us here in Brazil.

  • Jeannie Seibert
    Jeannie Seibert 2 days ago +1

    Sir Roger Scruton (RIP) was so lovely and brilliant and fearless and gentle and intelligent and...
    I don't want to appear to be gushing...but rest in peace you lovely, lovely gentleman.

  • Ian Evans
    Ian Evans 3 days ago

    51:59 - He was right about the existential crisis in Brazil, and the popularity of his sort of thinking there in recent years. They elected an ultra far-right leader, with many very bigoted policies.
    He's so close to having a moment of clarity.

  • Ada Eze
    Ada Eze 3 days ago +3

    RIP to a great scholar. I came to know about him, unfortunately when he died. I started researching and watching so many RU-clip videos about what he stood for.

  • Kathrin Schwarzbach
    Kathrin Schwarzbach 4 days ago +1

    RIP, Roger Scruton! ein kluger und weitsichtiger Mann ...

  • Ron Lynquist
    Ron Lynquist 4 days ago

    It has no future.

  • John Donne
    John Donne 4 days ago +1

    'For our viewers [conservatives], if you've said something once it's quite enough.' Haha, yes, that is why conservatives do not chant, rage, and seek to speak over their ideological opponents.

  • NakedMoleRat 43
    NakedMoleRat 43 4 days ago

    2 utter cunts

  • Bruno Araújo
    Bruno Araújo 5 days ago +5

    RIP. Sir Roger is no longer here but his wisdom will guide the new generations from now on. Its really a great loss not only to the conservatives but to all mankind that lost a tremendous intelectual.

  • grandepittore
    grandepittore 5 days ago

    'The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness' J.K. Galbraith

    • P
      P 5 days ago

      But Roger Scruton wasn't a modern conservative. He was what Americans would call a paleoconservative. To him, economic considerations take a back seat to cultural ones.

  • Rover
    Rover 5 days ago

    Was this his last interview?

  • Nivya Prasad
    Nivya Prasad 6 days ago +10

    Travel well, Sir Roger Scruton. You were a gentle giant and your thoughts will be celebrated by posterity. Thanking you from India.

  • What up Trish Hello
    What up Trish Hello 6 days ago +2

    Rest in Peace Roger

  • 301250
    301250 7 days ago +1

    There was the Age of Enlightenment, now it’s the Age of Obscurantism where Truth is suppressed and Falsehood, promoted. It is a rare privilege indeed to see & listen to two of the finest minds around up there on stage (conspicuous by his absence is Theodore Dalrymple!) both representing everything that’s decent & good about the British. Sadly, just very recently the world has been robbed of one of them, namely, Sir Roger Scruton, whose tragic death through cancer has made us all the poorer. RIP, Sir Roger.

  • william johnston
    william johnston 7 days ago +2

    A pity he couldn’t have hung on for a couple more weeks for Brexit before popping his clogs. His thoughts are set to become more accepted.

  • Lorraine Cleaver
    Lorraine Cleaver 7 days ago +12

    Rest in peace Sir, such a loss.

  • M Gourin
    M Gourin 7 days ago +20

    RIP Sir Roger 😢 an unbelievably great loss

  • On The Offensive
    On The Offensive 7 days ago +1

    Rest in peace, Sir.

  • 7shelties
    7shelties 7 days ago +7

    I was very saddened today to hear of the passing of the great Roger Scruton. Although I never had the privilege of meeting him, or even hearing him speak live, his brilliant defense of Conservatism help to shape my view of the world. Rest In Peace Sir.

  • hallmark
    hallmark 7 days ago +9

    RIP Roger. What a great talk. My two brain cells were very titillated.

  • Hitchslap
    Hitchslap 8 days ago +52

    RIP. A tremendous loss to the pursuit of knowledge but we are richer for having benefited from your insights.

    • fynes leigh
      fynes leigh 7 hours ago

      How can dreamers " Know"-Directly immediately personally apprehend, anything?If you wish to know you must acquire an apparatus capable of apprehending accurately and impartially, or develop whatever apparatus you have, Or perhaps just repair it

  • Rawan Tafech
    Rawan Tafech 8 days ago +6

    RIP Roger :(

  • rewertzyy 1
    rewertzyy 1 8 days ago +19

    May he rest in peace.

  • Anna Hunt
    Anna Hunt 11 days ago

    THE BIGGEST TRAITOR WHO TRIED TO DESTROY AMERICA FOR POWER AND MONEY

  • Jagrat Shukla
    Jagrat Shukla 12 days ago +2

    About loathing ur culture that douglas talks about exists in the east too...its the other way round here....people go to spend holidays in Europe to relish European architecture but look at theirs with disgust

  • Kathy A
    Kathy A 13 days ago +1

    Great to know while watching this that Corbyn was rejected spectacularly!

  • Ezra Ionescu
    Ezra Ionescu 13 days ago +1

    Holy shit, I love Roger Scruton so much.

  • Paul Rogers
    Paul Rogers 13 days ago +1

    Wonderful stuff. Just wonderful.

  • Paul Varn
    Paul Varn 13 days ago

    Oh that this magnificent evening also had the triumphant conservative Boris Johnson victory bringing the beachhead of Brexit within view. See what you brave men have done in your little presentation six months earlier. Well done faithful servants. People heard your voices. Watching this I can see why Trumps like Boris and what contributed to his win: ru-clip.com/video/2k448JqQyj8/video.html The Progressive Leftists just do not know how to produce likable people and who wants to vote for dowerbills?

  • David Essam
    David Essam 14 days ago +7

    The conservative marching chant:

    What do we want?
    Minimal change!
    When do we want it!
    In due course!
    Is the change good?
    Let us go check ...
    Should we revert?
    MAYBE!

  • Lawrence Bottorff
    Lawrence Bottorff 16 days ago

    I as a left-voting American, I have been secretly waiting for a type of conservatism these two men seem to grasp and embody. However they still don't have a solution for the one main ongoing crisis of modern conservatism, namely, the clash of High Tory versus Thatcherite Tory. HT is to some degree monarchist, espousing a sort of Retropia. TT is to some degree New World Ayn Rand in a bad parasite-host marriage with HT. (Kiss me again, says the troll, and I'll become a princess!) These are completely incompatible directions and mindsets! At least in Germany they've attempted a quarantine of the Ayn Rand trolls by giving them their own party, i.e., the FDP. But what deeply wounds today's conservatism is boorishness, which, unfortunately, is a gimmick conservatism has begun to use almost exclusively. Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush were boors, so was Thatcher, and now the king of the kulak peasant chieftains, Donald Trump, has run this ruse into the ground, setting conservatism back immensely for the foreseeable future. Conservatives like DM and RS have lost control of the debate, as the nefarious elements in both the misanthropic Left and boorish Right slap together one straw man after another to attack and destroy. Political discourse today is all about media professionals staging sensationalist red herring spectacles, one after the other. Meanwhile, the bygone Downton Abbey manorial world is looking better and better. It just needs leaders.

  • Lennart Forsman
    Lennart Forsman 22 days ago +1

    Try Daniel Hannan, he can describe the good and necessary of conservatism perfectly well.

  • Deb Lew
    Deb Lew 25 days ago +1

    "To be a harmless individual and to die having harmed nothing" is totally different from advertising oneself as harmless. The latter is a form of narcissism and disdainful virtue signalling

  • Tsnore
    Tsnore Month ago +1

    Is Boris the Spider conservative?

  • Laurie Coates
    Laurie Coates Month ago

    What a splendid debate on common sense, something sadly missing in todays society

  • arktana
    arktana Month ago

    Love Douglas, Scruton is boring and an idiot. Wish it was someone else talking to Douglas.

  • Joe Pee
    Joe Pee Month ago

    The architecture of medieval European cathedrals is very impressive but not really beautiful or elegant. No surprise a lot of people want to travel East to check out the temples and mosques.

  • miles lawrence
    miles lawrence Month ago

    Repeating slogans is a sign of low intelligence...Brexit means Brexit, Get Brexit Done, Leave means Leave, Do or DIe, We're all in it together. ring any bells? Labour caused the financial crash....another exercise in dishonesty by the smart conservatives out there.

  • NZAnimeManga
    NZAnimeManga Month ago +1

    Conservative party are a bunch of Blairites... We need a resurgence of Thatcherism - free markets, strength, unity, country.

  • KAOS NATION
    KAOS NATION Month ago

    Happy people dont hate because that would ruin their happiness. Angry, resentful people are the hateful ones. Left wingers are usually angry people who want the state to punish the happy people, take their freedoms and take their stuff so that they can be as miserable and depressed as the left wingers are. The left went against MLK and his dream by bringing race back into it. That is pure hatred and the wish for people to look at each other in a shallow way - just like typical racists. The left IS resentment. The left IS anger. The left IS hatred. Period.

  • Snakesborough
    Snakesborough Month ago

    There are two major powers in this world that invaded us and thereby liberated us. Russia in 1813 (we got rid of the French) and the USA in 1944 (which eventually got us rid of the Germans. So why should I be anti-Russian or anti-American? Best wishes from the Netherlands.And NO I do not ever want to be ruled by the Germans and the French, I do NOT want a EU-superstate. PS I have read several books written by Sir Roger Scruton and yesterday I ordered two books writen by Douglas Murray, And YES I still find your invasion of Transvaal and Oranje Vrijstaat dispicable.

  • Snakesborough
    Snakesborough Month ago

    Scruton and Murray together. What better can one get? Best wishes from the Netherlands. God save your Queen and may God protect our King. Glory to our beautiful nations in which it's so resplendent to live.

  • Count Rufus
    Count Rufus Month ago

    What can conservatives sell to modern youth?Responsibility. Authenticity Empowerment. Self Rescpet and not the leftist self hatred and constant victimization and rights

  • Count Rufus
    Count Rufus Month ago

    Read Dostoyevsky. ALL 5 OF HIS TIMLESS BOOKS.He was a liberal utopian in his youth.But then he changed his position and wrote 5 incalculably great books as a warning.And he was right.50 years before Soviet union and Nazi Germany.
    Today all Russian studeanr have to read him and solzenicin as part of school cariculum.
    In 2017 in USA it was called year of dostoyevsky and now in USA he is also read.
    It I'd scary how the ideas and ideology that was popular by Russian inteligencia in 1880
    S suddenly became popular in USA and UK 100 years later

  • Iván Barcia
    Iván Barcia Month ago +1

    Hi. I want to leave a question here: is there any kind of association or society in England of people with the same values and pursuits of Mr. Roger Scruton? Like a kind of group under his name? I am from Spain and I am very interested in meeting people with his same perspective on culture and society. Thanks to all.

    • Iván Barcia
      Iván Barcia Month ago

      @Toby Frith Thank you so much Toby. I am checking it out right now :)

    • Toby Frith
      Toby Frith Month ago

      The Bow Group

  • Redrios1789
    Redrios1789 Month ago

    Scruton, apart from his ripoff (of a widely known and criticized exhaustively, an imposture itself for 20 years at least now) "Fools, Frauds and Firebrands" of Sokal & Bricmont's "Fashionable Nonsense", is the probably the best and most influencial conservative intellectual, more serious than any given public "progressive" in Britain, which something to say other than just engage in mere iconoclasm/bashing, in this chat with Murray (whose pivot is not other than Love (not Culture, Supreme Good or even Liberalism as a prime one; which Scruton points here) feels very heartwarming and honest, it's a pity how disregarded a priori it is, by leftists followers that really makes me feel impotent and sad, even though I don't even live in the Northern Hemisphere... But I cannot shake from this encounter the sense of dignity to the point of elegy

  • namn200
    namn200 Month ago

    This documentary about ww2 was censored by YT. Its about the side of ww2 you dont get stuffed with in propagandist media and pop culture. If youre watching this video youre probably intelectualy honest enough to watch this documentary. thegreateststorynevertold.tv/

  • 22grena
    22grena Month ago +4

    Solzhenitsyn explains it best. "You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the "Russian Revolution." It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators."

    • bendigeidfran1282
      bendigeidfran1282 29 days ago

      If you're Russian why have you got a photo of Tom Barry?

  • Poppy Wolf
    Poppy Wolf Month ago +1

    Sounds sensible but I wonder at the follow through...As usual.

  • Dominic Fastbender
    Dominic Fastbender 2 months ago

    If only governments would wake up and listen to Mr Murray and those like him, still capable of rational thought. A good start would be to legislate to stop the massive harm social media is doing or break them up as the anti democratic monoplies they are.

  • Yuyi Leal
    Yuyi Leal 2 months ago +4

    Men, please become such fine gentlemen yourselves! How beautiful to live in a world where more and more people like this exist! So inspiring, uplifting! ...God bless us!

  • Wes Heiser
    Wes Heiser 2 months ago +2

    I am concerned for the future of the world upon seeing the view count on this conversation. So much good thought and wisdom of which relatively few have taken advantage.

  • Dr Divago
    Dr Divago 2 months ago

    The idea of returning to the cultural foundations of the university (41:00) is great. The book “The Empty Campus” deals with this topic: www.amazon.com/Empty-Campus-Sergio-Caldarella/dp/1365563146

  • Anti Art
    Anti Art 2 months ago +1

    two harmless liddl fellas from the liddl island of england

  • Mary Palmer
    Mary Palmer 2 months ago +2

    Enjoying this discussion and the questions very much, though I have to say the conservatives in the US are of a different stripe than Scruton and Murray. The ones in power in the Republican party are shamelessly in it for power and profit, without regard for their constituents, for education, or for truth. Too many of them are religious fascists as well.

    • Ion Capitanul
      Ion Capitanul Day ago

      What do you mean by "religious fascists"? Are you aware that the lefties nowadays are actually accusing christians of being "fascists". Do you know that fascism appeared in Italy and its leader Mussolini was actually an atheist? Excuse me but this expression or accusation is totally nonsense...

  • AKZ
    AKZ 2 months ago +6

    Yes you are indeed loved here in Brazil Sir Roger! And so are you Douglas Murray

  • TFEA
    TFEA 2 months ago

    1:22:58

  • David Hunt
    David Hunt 2 months ago

    *_There is only one way to avoid criticism: do nothing, say nothing, and be nothing._*
    ~ Aristotle
    *_The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended._*
    ~ Frederic Bastiat
    *_Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves._*
    ~ William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783
    *_We always plan too much and always think too little. We resent a call to thinking and hate unfamiliar argument that does not tally with what we already believe or would like to believe._*
    ~ Joseph A. Schumpeter
    *_Indeed, a major source of objection to a free economy is precisely that it . . . gives people what they want instead of what a particular group thinks they ought to want. Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself._*
    ~ Milton Friedman
    *_The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional._*
    ~ Ron Paul
    *_As long as human beings are imperfect, there will always be arguments for extending the power of government to deal with these imperfections. The only logical stopping place is totalitarianism -- unless we realize that tolerating imperfections is the price of freedom._*
    ~ Thomas Sowell
    *_The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter._*
    ~ Winston Churchill

  • Marcus Maximus
    Marcus Maximus 2 months ago

    As if I ever needed to listen to a f@&&ot to get ideas about the new world order. Don't buy it- you are being tricked.