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Radeon HD 3850 AGP The fastest AGP Graphics Card


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  • OzTalksHW
    OzTalksHW 4 years ago +156

    I had the PCIe version of the 3850 (picked it up from VisionTeks Mystery Box a year or two ago) and it was a solid 720p to 1080p card for eSport titles at the time. It's no shock that it's doing so well with games from the early 2000s, even at higher resolutions. Nice video! Everytime I watch I always want to build a retro PC lol. I suppose that means you're doing your job well! Keep it up :D

    • Prezes Kódłaty
      Prezes Kódłaty 2 months ago

      Graphics cards from sapphire radeon hd 3850 radeon hd 3870 were produced for the agp8 bus

    • Prezes Kódłaty
      Prezes Kódłaty 2 months ago

      @Albey Graphics cards from sapphire radeon hd 3850 radeon hd 3870 were produced for the agp8 bus

    • Albey
      Albey 2 months ago

      @Prezes Kódłaty - It is - but it is on the PCIE Inteface / not AGP.

    • Prezes Kódłaty
      Prezes Kódłaty Year ago

      the radeon hd 4870 is better than the radeon hd3850

    • Prezes Kódłaty
      Prezes Kódłaty Year ago

      the radeon X1600 pro graphics card on the agp8 bus was the last generation compatible with the dos system, it used all the graphical functions of microsoft directx 8 directx 9 without any compatibility problems

  • Night Motorcycling
    Night Motorcycling 4 years ago +18

    I was one of the stragglers holding onto AGP with my AMD Opteron 170 system. I stuck with the nVidia Geforce 6600GT but my local retailer had the GeForce 7800 AGP and Radeon HD 3850 AGP stocked up and those cards barely sold, thus they dropped the price to around $150 at the time. I wanted to buy one but I figured I should use that money towards a motherboard with PCIe and moving to a more modern graphics card without having to jump through hoops or be left with a dead end.

  • Televicious Goober
    Televicious Goober 4 years ago +5

    Had that Sapphire version from 2007 - 2013 with a Core2Quad system and it held up pretty good. The DDR2 RAM bottlenecked more than the AGP Bus interface.

  • Jon Carter
    Jon Carter 4 years ago +12

    Think I swapped from AGP to PCIE when I upgraded my Pentium 4 to a Core2Duo back in 2008, I remember being so glad I wouldn't be having to look for AGP specific reviews again when shopping for a graphics card!

  • WaybackTECH
    WaybackTECH Year ago +27

    I remember years ago the Chinese were selling PCI-E to AGP adapters with that bridge chip on them. Sadly i never found one after starting my channel. I guess they were not around very long and no one bought them apparently.

  • greyfox37
    greyfox37 4 years ago +5

    I had the X800XT PE. That was my last AGP card. Really good one too. I upgraded to a 7800GTX which was a great card.

    • Googlar
      Googlar Month ago

      That was one of the first ones which was an AGP version of what was originally a PCI-E graphics card, using a bridge chip just like this 3850, right?

  • Saxxon Fox
    Saxxon Fox 4 years ago +1

    These things are awesome! I currently own a working HD 4670 AGP and the HDMI output is particularly useful on it. I could only get cards like these to work on boards that had AGP 8x support. Older motherboards probably won't run cards like these at all even if it physically fits in the slot. Of course I had to run some VGA games on it, and Jill of the Jungle appears to have graphics corruption. So not really a good candidate for "let's put HDMI on a DOS box" builds.

  • Komrade Shotabollokov
    Komrade Shotabollokov 4 years ago +9

    The fact that the bridge chip is called a Rialto is probably not a coincidence. I guess ATI felt a little Venetian at the time. Thanks for the video, Phil. Top notch, as usual.

  • Nom D'Plume
    Nom D'Plume 4 years ago +2

    I had always wanted the agp version of this card. I wound up with the 4650 agp as it was quite a bit cheaper even back then. It was paired with athlon X2 3800+. I still have fond memories of that pc. When the motherboard died (K8M800) just last year I was literally heartbroken.

  • CryptoJordan
    CryptoJordan 2 years ago +15

    I'd love to see either you or someone else do a benchmark comparison between this and the fastest PCI graphics card.

    • CryptoJordan
      CryptoJordan 2 months ago

      @TheVanillatech Actually, the most powerful PCI graphics card comes down to 3 Zotac Nvidia cards. The GT 430, the GT 520, and the GT 610. Which, although massively more powerful than what you stated, you'd still be correct as the 3870 is still about 50% faster than any of those even when just comparing the PCIe versions.

    • TheVanillatech
      TheVanillatech 4 months ago

      @CryptoJordan The fastest PCI card is probably a Geforce 8400, and the 3850 AGP destroys it. The 4670 AGP destroys it even more.

    • CryptoJordan
      CryptoJordan Year ago +2

      @u knoe wat dis is The Radeon 6900 XT is PCIe. I said PCI.

    • Braydon Coate
      Braydon Coate Year ago

      agp is so much faster dude

    • Nyxo
      Nyxo 2 years ago


  • IchRocke
    IchRocke 4 years ago

    That really would have been my dream setup back in the days ! I was also really considering buying a 4650 for an old p4 I had lying around in order to make a decent liveable machine for old gaming / RU-clip and 1080p videos, unfortunately bad condos made this MB die :( and I wasn't ready to go for parts hunting for this system as it wouldn't have been top notch, and as you said a top notch old gaming PC can cost a lot :(

  • Mr Brad
    Mr Brad Year ago +1

    I had a GeForce 7600GT AGP card (upgraded too it from a 6600GT) back in around 2007 on my Pentium 4 3.2GHz system, It was a great card for the money back in the day and I still have it in storage today.

  • Reed
    Reed 3 years ago +2

    Back in the day I had HD3850 AGP on a socket 939 with Athlon 64 3200+ initially and then upgraded to Athlon 64 x2 3800+ which made a huge difference for games of that era like Batman Arkham Asylum or NFS ProStreet.

  • Zoltán Cser
    Zoltán Cser 4 years ago

    Great video! :D I still have the 6600 GT with the HSI chip. :) Also tested the HD 3850 AGP, but I was heavily CPU bottlenecked with the Pentium 4. I've also tested in a hybrid board with Core2 Duos and the Q6600 and it was much better, but that mobo was so unstable and slow with IO. :|

  • Jivemaster2005
    Jivemaster2005 4 years ago +1

    Great video, Phil :-) had been waiting for this one.
    Too bad your 4670 card is kaputt, I might bench mine against my 3850 when I get my high end AGP system up and running again.
    If I remember correctly the 4670 felt slower than the 3850 even without doing any benchmarks.
    Finally, it would be fun to see how the AGP version of the 7950GT fares against these cards.

  • David P
    David P Year ago +1

    It would be good to see how other cards such the hd 3870 and x1950 xt compare. However finding these today is very difficult.

  • Wouter Verbruggen
    Wouter Verbruggen 4 years ago +3

    Just installed one of those Sapphire HD3850 cards in my P4 extreme retro build! I knew I had to get it when I saw it with an asking price of just €15 on the local second-hand marketplace. But man, that thing is noisy A F! Replaced the fan with a ThermalTake DuOrb, runs great with even a nice overclock on it

  • Khoi Dang
    Khoi Dang 4 years ago

    Thanks for reviewing this card. Back in the day, I have the exact same card and a 2600 pro. Those good old days

  • MGlBlaze
    MGlBlaze 4 years ago +1

    I actually managed to pick one of these up, but I got it for dumb reasons. I was intending to use it to pull double duty as a single card solution for both Windows XP and Windows 98 graphics through an AGP slot. But I totally failed to check what the drivers for it were like and the card is very much *not* supported in Windows 98 - which was a little disappointing, but it was my own fault. At least I have a pretty interesting hardware curiosity in my posession. Maybe I can use it for another build somewhere down the line.
    There are meant to be AGP versions of the HD 3870 in existance too, but I haven't seen any of those 'in the wild' and I think they're basically "weird PC hardware unicorns" of a sort.

  • HMods
    HMods 4 years ago

    I still have this card Phil, have tons of stories about it running in my Gallatin P4EE system. It’s the HIS version and has 6pin power. Bought it new and it still is used on occasion when I pull out my P4EE system... I bought it to finally max Doom 3 out on my system, it maxed FEAR out and it even allowed me to play COD4 multiplayer on it. If you wanna know about bottlenecks, try GTA IV with it... it’ll run it beautifully but the P4EE won’t lol.

  • Kevin Lawson
    Kevin Lawson 4 years ago

    Drivers play a big part in what a Graphics card can do , so a Windows XP driver will be a lot different then a Windows Vista driver and also an older driver can sometimes work better then newer ones , you can also come across universal drivers or untested drivers as well, so playing around with different drivers can have some very different results. Oh and playing around with the setting in the BIOS can give you a better performance or make it worse.

  • Retro PC Scotland
    Retro PC Scotland 4 years ago +18

    Plenty of information here. Very in depth. I have one of these cards still HD3850 AGP. TBH I won't part with it. Keeping it because it is a strong card.
    Great video as always Phil.

  • zen strata
    zen strata 22 days ago

    I have one of these (the sapphire 3850 agp), It's the one I bought and put into my system years ago. It allowed me to play more modern games for a long time on my old computer. It's a great card.

  • th3d3wd3r
    th3d3wd3r 4 years ago

    I remember the last agp card I had was the geforce 7800 gs. Pretty solid card and overclocked quite well if i remember rightly

  • Liam3072
    Liam3072 4 years ago

    Could it run games from the 2008-2012 era, at lower details and resolution? Would it run Mirror's Edge smoothly? Skyrim? I'm curious as to whether such an AGP card could run games that were developped in an era where PCIe was taken for granted.

  • James Smith
    James Smith 2 years ago +1

    The last AGP card I had was the 7800gs. It was a good card for it's time.

  • dasilva45 mito
    dasilva45 mito 4 years ago +1

    po phils seus videos são top como sempre parabens.

  • JockoV
    JockoV 3 years ago +3

    Great video! I love seeing tech that is maxed out. I had a 1.4GHz Pentium III Tualatin (which was the best Pentium III you could get) back in the day with an AGP slot. I never used the AGP slot though but now you've got me daydreaming of going back in time with a HD 3850 AGP card and giving it to myself to have a completely maxed out system :)

    • SolarstrikeVG
      SolarstrikeVG 8 months ago +1

      @Torsional Isotope Technophobia It's not about the practicality, man. It's about If It Can™run it at all!

    • SolarstrikeVG
      SolarstrikeVG 8 months ago +1

      If you have a Slot 1 board with a 440BX board, it won't even fit.
      You'll need to find a P3 board with Universal AGP support (i8xx series).

    • Torsional Isotope Technophobia
      Torsional Isotope Technophobia 11 months ago +1

      Don't. The p3 is totally useless trying to feed these cards. It's already maxed out on a geforce 3 ti 200, even a geforce 4 is total overkill for that kind of system. Best card for the tualatin is a geforce 440 mx, silent and about as fast as you'll ever manage. If you go above a GF 3 Ti 500, get a P4 at 3GHz, at the very least.

  • Democrab
    Democrab 4 years ago

    I had an AGP 6800GS along with a PCIe one (Got the PCIe one cheap as chips and had that ASRock board with AGP + PCIe so I figured hey, easy way to allow for future upgrades) which made me realise the importance of vRAM because the 512MB AGP version was a few FPS ahead of the 256MB PCIe one.

  • Saxxon Fox
    Saxxon Fox 4 years ago +1

    Related to your survey at the end of the video, I used a Radeon 9600 Pro for quite a long time in the 2000s, and only after I went to Core 2 did I start using PCI Express. Though it wasn't due to AGP preference, just what parts I had available at the time.

  • Ancient Gameplays
    Ancient Gameplays 4 years ago +8

    Well, this is a video that deserves the biggest like i cab give :D
    I myself, will be testing a GTS 8800 (NVidia) and i am pretty excited to see what it can do :D

  • Andrei Neacsu
    Andrei Neacsu 4 years ago

    The last AGP videocard that I used on my main computer was a Radeon X700, that had a PLX PCIe2AGP bridge. It was in 2005 on a P4 Pres"hot" CPU with 2x512 MB Corsair 533MHz DDR1 using an Asus P4C800-E Deluxe (i875) MB . The memory on my particular video card was pretty weak and I was happy when I soon upgraded to a C2D 6750 + HD3850 PCIe in 2007 on an Asus P5K-E (P35) MB.

  • mdh269
    mdh269 3 years ago +2

    Wow! These AGP cards were super expensive when I was thinking about buying them off ebay years ago.

  • Anon Y'mous
    Anon Y'mous 10 months ago

    I would love to see this card running some semi-modern games on a dual-core processor rig. I'll bet it would do surprisingly well with GTA5.
    I was able to play Tomb Raider (2013) quite well on an HD2600 Pro AGP with a dual core Opteron CPU.

  • Nemesizzonline
    Nemesizzonline 4 years ago

    Great stuff. Too bad many of those interesting cards (Radeon 3850, GeForce 7800, GeForce 6800 AGP) are hard to come by, or too expensive. I love those cards, but wouldn't pay as much as many people ask for them. They are old and used cards, and quite a lot of those cards got issues after a couple of years (overclocked, sometimes factory overclocked, 'mistreated' who knows what the previous owner did with it?). So I'd realy like to get my hands on those, but most defenitly wouldn't pay 50 up to 80 (or more) euros or something for a card like that. Bit like that youtube video where someone was overjoyed he finally got a GeForce FX5800 Ultra ...quite expensive and... it was broken.

  • GiSWiG
    GiSWiG 4 years ago

    You must be a very safe driver. Even in NFS, you try to stay in lane!
    I had a regular 6800 AGP before getting two PCIe 7950GT in SLI. Last year I got a GF 7800GS AGP for $8 but seeing that I'm less of a collector, I sold it for $80 and it got me a Voodoo 3 3000. I kept a 6800GT for the Win98 support.
    Nice video! I liked the high-end AGP comparison. Nice idea.

  • BestHotboi NA
    BestHotboi NA 2 years ago

    I remember buying a bfg 6200 oc new when it came out and got a x800xt for free some time later. The power the x800 had compared to the 6200, was nuts to me.

  • TheCoach
    TheCoach 4 years ago

    My first serious graphical upgrade was a Sapphire HD 3870(going from GF 7600GS AGP) so this video was a bit of a nostalgia trip. A blue AGP sister of my red PCIe card.

  • Alberto Martinez Retro Tinkerer

    I was an "Early adopter" of PCIe but I didnt had a fast AGP card to hold on, just a Geforce 3 that I purchased at launch with a thunderbird 1.33, that updated to a nforce2 + 2600XP, so when I saw what the s939 was all about I updated everything including a 7800GT, that system was upgraded so many times and served me well until Windows 7 times when being limited to 4Gb seemed to much.

  • Andrew Scorgie
    Andrew Scorgie 2 years ago

    This was a bit of a random surprise find tonight. As I happen to have this card laying around still, as well as a 7800GS (this gpu was seriously underclocked out the box, they were just GT's rebadged essentially). I had used the HD3850 on with an Asrock 775i65g cored with a Core2Duo as well as the 7800GS (which was a throw over from my older athlon XP system).
    The items you try your best to keep as you want a new cpu, but dont want to spend on the GPU or the ram!
    Anyhow, I do still have these cards!

  • A. Sanford
    A. Sanford 2 years ago +1

    I just picked up an Nvidia 7800 AGP for $2. Not sure if it works yet, but either way I'm thrilled to have it. I'm planning to either do a Pentium 4 or Athlon 64 X2 build with it for retro gaming. If not, I'll try and scoop up one of these guys. Great video!

  • Pico Herbie
    Pico Herbie 4 years ago

    In around 2004, I built a dual Opteron system with a 9800 Pro. In 2007 I put an x1950 Pro in it. In 2009 I looked to upgrade it again, but it made more since to go to a new system with PCIe then it was to squeeze any more performance out of it. It speaks more to the dual Opteron system, and lack of multi threaded applications at the time, but had I bought an Opteron board with PCIe, I probably could have gotten at least 5 more years out of that system.

  • Sam K.
    Sam K. 2 years ago

    Wow, that 3850 is fairly comparable to, if not better than my previous GT440 DDR3.
    That's beyond impressive, given its age.

  • osgrov
    osgrov 4 years ago

    Nice! I had forgotten the 3850 was also available on AGP, that's pretty darn cool considering it's probably too powerful for most AGP setups - which your benchmarks seem to confirm as well. CPU bottlenecks. :)
    I had its bigger PCIe brother, the 3870, for many years and it served me very well! Paired with the lovely Core 2, I believe it was the E8600 I had. That system lasted a long time, good stuff.

  • kanopus06
    kanopus06 4 years ago

    My last AGP system, was from 2004, it had an Athlon64 3400+ (2.4 GHz, single channel memory), 2GB of DDR400, and a Radeon X800XT. I actually bought a Radeon X1950 Pro to squeeze a little bit of performance in games, but it didn't work with the gigabyte k8vt800 motherboad, which had a VIA K8T800 chipset, that didn't like the X1950 pro at all. Everytime I tried to do something in 3D, the computer froze.

  • Lenne
    Lenne 3 years ago +5

    I have that Sapphire card myself, paired with Asrock AM2NF3-VSTA, Athlon 64 X2 6000+ @ 3.2GHz & 4GB DDR2-800. Awesome build for WinXP gaming :)

    • Talvisota
      Talvisota 3 years ago +1

      that board even supports phenom II x4 cpus

  • Geo Curtis
    Geo Curtis 4 years ago

    oh this reminds me of my Sapphire Radeon HD 3870 video card. That card impressed the crap out of me at the time back in 2007. I eventually even had 2 of them setup in Crossfire (which was NOT very stable lol).

  • diecast jam
    diecast jam 2 years ago

    Just got a HD 3650, first time I have used a non Nvidia GPU since the 90's, first thoughts are despite having twice the memory of the 7800GS that I normally have in my XP machine the HD 3650 is no where near as good, this may be down to drivers, the driver support is appalling compared to Nvidia, when I did a search on which was the best driver to use, all I found was page after page of folk from mid 2000's complaining on how bad the drivers were, I ran out of time last night so I'll have another go today, maybe using the 8.3 you used. I saw a lot of talk about hotfix drivers but I couldn't find any links, the old Nvidia drivers are so much easier to find, and to be fair I know a lot more about Nvidia stuff, so it may just be my ignorance.

  • 3Dfx_Aslinger
    3Dfx_Aslinger 4 years ago +30

    Nice, so many fast AGP cards in your collection!

    • cesiumion
      cesiumion 2 years ago

      @Talin agp sucked ass

    • HAZRDOne
      HAZRDOne 3 years ago

      That HIS X1950 pro is the stuff of dreams.

    • Mitsos Tech Tips
      Mitsos Tech Tips 4 years ago +1

      i have a geforce4 and sapphire hd 2600 pro

    • Talin
      Talin 4 years ago

      NostalgicAslinger Rip agp

  • DraxoronXZtgs
    DraxoronXZtgs 2 years ago +1

    Have both of the Sapphire HD3850 and HIS H4670 agp's with original boxes and all accessories I bought back in 2008-2009. Never thought it could be worth that much as I payed for them (and even more) 10 years later.

  • cgriggsiv
    cgriggsiv 2 years ago +1

    I know this video is two years old just now catching it
    Back in the day I had the 3870 I still have that card
    It was actually just as fast as this if not faster for a AGP 8x
    Yes it was 1GB of RAM 256-bit-bus and I was able to unlock all of its potential and then some with the AMD phenom II X4 I think it was the 1045T or something like that it's been too long
    But my operating system of choice was Windows XP
    And I had 4gigs of RAM ddr2 at the time

  • wakesake
    wakesake 4 years ago +1

    3850 vs the 4670
    The 4670 was/is the overall winner because:
    1.Lower temps
    2.Lower power consumption
    3.Newer tech
    4.With AA enabled it beats the 3850 but not by a big margin
    The 3850 its still great but for me it takes second place

  • Владислав Горанов

    I remember buying a new ring back in the summer of 2008. Old was was powered by Radeon 9250... The new one was powered by HD4870. What kind of monster was this card back then

    • PhilsComputerLab
      PhilsComputerLab  2 months ago +1

      From a 9250 to 4870, what a nice upgrade! I had a 4850 at some point I believe, loved that single slot card.

  • Baumstumpf
    Baumstumpf 4 years ago

    I managed to get this card in a bundle of PC stuff for free. I'm using it with a Xeon E3110 (2 Cores @ 3.0GHz). Works great for Windows XP and some Windows 7 Games.

  • Kurt H
    Kurt H 3 years ago

    I bought the FX-57 when it was brand new. Around $1100~ if I recall. Sold it a few years ago for around $60 :( Ran it in a Asus A8N SLI Deluxe. Still have two watercooled 8800's with Danger Den waterblocks I was running in it.

  • Michael Wood
    Michael Wood 10 months ago

    I have the sapphire card. Went to re apply thermal paste and was astounded that it had thermal pads on the memory chips.

  • Benjamin Hale
    Benjamin Hale 4 years ago

    The 4670 would be slower despite having more shader cores at 320 at 750MHz if memory serves.. the pciex version had 900mhz GDDR3 and a 128bit bus and that's what makes it slower processing wise it's a significantly stronger card sharing the same number of shader processors as the HD 3870. The Gigqabyte version i had of the 4670 ran uber hot though gaming saw it around 100-115c

  • Tomasz Wiśniewski
    Tomasz Wiśniewski 4 years ago

    Hi Phil, nice video, very memorable. My last AGP gpu is gf7300 gt, NFS:U2 can rum on it max 800 : 600, but this card have good oc potential, with palit cards you cag spped up agp to 110 MHz with good mobos.
    I have sugestion for test: try all Your test with oc on agp with higher transfers help something or not ?

  • BlakeCasimir
    BlakeCasimir 4 years ago +31

    Another great video, Phil. But a lot of those CPU-bound graphs are telling us - and begging you hint hint :D - to do a follow up video with that "exotic" Core 2 Duo + AGP setup with the 3850! I'd like to see that, at least. :) I wonder if yours is one of those infamous ASRock boards? I had a couple of those, they didn't last long...

    • DOC Zenith
      DOC Zenith 3 years ago

      @prawny12009 Funny thing is, unless you need NX-disable bit, speedstep, C-stane you can run Wolfdale on any i865 board with Core2 support, it will start, detected as unknown, but it will bootup when you disable the things I mentioned in bios, it will bootup on the lower multiplier but it will work, and you can fix that multiplier later from OS with throttlestop, so Wolfdate is runnable even on unsupported boards of this kind.

    • prawny12009
      prawny12009 3 years ago

      @DOC Zenith Those boards would run r0 stepping wolfdale chips with a microcode update.
      I'm pretty sure I still have the pctrieber modded bios file somewhere, not a big deal to update microcode though I have done it a few times on other boards for lga775/771 mods.
      I originally had an e7600 in mine but settled with an e5800 3.2ghz over clocked to 3.6ghz, the E7600 was already overclocking the board just to run its stock frequency the E5800 allowed for greater headroom.
      Paired with an hd4650 it made for a capable gaming rig (Asus ah4650 1gb version) with the gpu also overclocked, played titles like assassin's creed and crysis pretty well on 1360x768 full hd was just a bit too much to ask.
      I used a scythe 100mm slimline fan mounted in place of the noisy oem fan on the gpu.
      The 92-100mm brackets that come with the scythe (jyu kaze?) are just deep enough to allow the heatsink to sit between it and the fan It took a little modification to the heatsink (a few mm had to be removed from the ends of the fins) but afterwards it was basically silent and stayed cooler than original.
      I still have the graphics card but the motherboard started to suffer with usb issues so had to be replaced.

    • HAZRDOne
      HAZRDOne 3 years ago

      I love my Asrock 4core dual Sata2 and Q6700 combo. I just ordered a 3850 AGP for it :)

    • John Smith
      John Smith 3 years ago

      PhilsComputerLab yes please! An update with Core Duo would be highly appreciated! I wouldn’t mind if u used the pcie version of the 3850!

    • Mitsos Tech Tips
      Mitsos Tech Tips 4 years ago

      i know asrock, in my country they are popular, together with gigabyte, i think that asus made those motherboards ''value for money'', for those guys that they want to build a pc with less money, it is asus motherboard with cheaper capacitors, chipsets, and other components

  • Valentus SlimROAST
    Valentus SlimROAST 4 years ago

    I still use that card, it's great, from HIS 3850 AGP 512 MB RAM best AGP card I've ever used, running 2 monitors at 1920X1080 each

  • lulkLogan
    lulkLogan 4 years ago

    One correction: I used this card for years with no 8-pin adapter. I just plugged a 6 pin right in. Not sure why this worked, I think I read it just disabled overclocking?
    Either way, great card, it enabled me to play lots of games of the era on my rapidly aging Pentium 4 system.

  • Ronny Schneider
    Ronny Schneider 3 years ago

    On NVIDIA side the last and most powerful AGP card was the Gainward Bliss 7900GS. I was very satisfied about the performance compared to the 6800 Ultra. Using The Abit Av8 Mainboard with The Athlon 64 FX-53...

  • Carstuff111
    Carstuff111 2 years ago +1

    I know this is an old video, but I will say this: If you are building a machine with AGP, and you plan to install a graphics card that has the PCI-E to AGP bridge chip.... you will most likely be stuck using only Windows XP. If you were hoping to build an AGP machine with Windows 7 or to dual boot Windows 7 and XP....be warned that there is a very high chance Windows 7 will not play nice. In my experience Windows 7 does not play nice with PCI-E graphics cards that were made to work on AGP. I went from a heavily overclocked Radeon X800 Pro graphics card to an overclocked X1950 Pro card, with a heavily overclocked AMD Athlon 64 x2 4200+ on a MSI K8N Neo 2 Platinum motherboard that used AGP. The Beta for Windows 7 worked perfectly with that set up. I went to install full blown Windows 7 when it released, and the graphics driver would install, everything would go as normal... but the driver would not work. There may be work around for that now, but do know it is, or can be, an issue. If you are planning on just using Windows XP, then there should be no issues.

  • Carstuff111
    Carstuff111 4 years ago

    Holy cow!! I used to have an HIS IceQ3 Turbo X1950 Pro AGP, with 512MB of RAM! I loved that card, I used it for years. When I got it, it was already a couple years old, it took another year for me to get a power supply powerful enough to run it, used it for a good, long time on an AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ that was overclocked to 2.7GHz from 2.2GHz, 2GB of DDR 400 OCZ RAM, MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum motherboard, Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum, running Windows XP Pro 64bit. Every component in that machine had a lot of mileage on them when I got them, and yet, I got many more years out of all of them. I miss old faithful, she was a reliable, amazing work horse. Then I upgraded... and realized just how much I was missing out on....

  • Kathleen Delcourt
    Kathleen Delcourt 4 years ago +4

    I had the Powercolor HD3850 paired with a 2800+ XP Barton and 2Gb of 333Mhz DRR memory. I chose the Radeon HD3850 AGP because I couldn't afford a whole new system and it sounded like a reasonable upgrade. I did not regret it. This setup allowed me to play FEAR, STALKER, Mass Effect 1 & 2... with max detail because the only bottleneck was the CPU and all my older games were running wonderfully with max AA and AF for perfect image quality. I only replaced it in 2011 for a brand new Sandy Bridge system (i3-2100 + Radeon HD6850) and I'm still using that same motherboard on my current compter! I replaced the i3-2100 with a i7-3770K, changed the HD6850 for a R9 390 (I had a GTX 970 for a time but got a full refund during the 3.5Gb gate), and went from 4Gb to 12Gb of Ram. And that rig is still kicking strong today.

    • GraveUypo
      GraveUypo 4 years ago

      good cards, all of them. If that 6850 was a 6950 it'd be perfect.
      i went from 6800GS AGP to a 8800GT then a 6950, then 970gtx which i got a full refund for because it was a defective piece of trash that couldn't handle it's own stock clocks and with the money i bought my current rx480 and had some spare change left over.
      later i bought 2 1070s but that was only for mining so it doesn't count. i've sold them for a 25% profit each too back in march. they certainly were my best purchases ever. never had actually profited from gpus before, lol. got a nice $200 extra on them plus the mining time, which from june 17 to march 18 added up to about $2000 with my 3 cards. not bad. will be sure to put that towards my 7nm ryzen and navi card, since this 2500k will probably start showing its age pretty soon, even at 4.7ghz.

  • Natasha McEwan
    Natasha McEwan 4 years ago

    I think I looked at a 3850 briefly for my old Dell but the prices were super unjustifiable, and figured it'd kinda be overkill for the P4HT in it anyway. :o

  • Elaborate Press
    Elaborate Press 4 years ago

    I remember from 2003-2004 marketing told me AGP was the best you can get! AGP 8x is double the speed of the old one, PCI is not for GPUs. But than some time later many companies did not even sell motherboards with AGP anymore, unluckily. I like that tower / case BTW!

    • PhilsComputerLab
      PhilsComputerLab  4 years ago

      It's the Thermaltake Versa N26. PCIe had double the bandwidth, definitely something I want to look into to see what the difference is.

  • Clay Henderson
    Clay Henderson 2 years ago

    I remember getting a 5200 and thinking how freaking awesome it was, lol...

  • -M-m- / Mini-z1994
    -M-m- / Mini-z1994 4 years ago

    First pci-e gpu i had was from my older brothers old gaming pc at the time a socket 775 ATX motherboard from asrock.
    (2007 or 2008 i think) & he built it 1 - 2 years earlier.
    A pentium 4 640 with hyperthreading i think, might have been another pentium 4 then that, recall it being 3.2 ghz or 3.4 ghz
    2 gb ram ddr2 unknown brand & speed.
    120 gb ide harddrive, no clue if it was sold on, put in another pc we had at home, or if its the one sitting in my windows xp machine atm as im writing this.
    and the gpu was a ATI Radeon X1650 ICE Q 512 mb from HIS.
    (Great coolers for gpu's under 100w tdp those Arctic vga silencer heatsinks as long as you can make good contact with the core at least.)
    Though the red pcb against that blue & clear plastic shroud on the cooler wasn't the best look but it was good with what i played at the time on a old elephant of a dell 24 inch crt that did 85hz at 1600x1200. (This thing was heavy enough too break my desk at the time.) was a desk very similar too this with a seperate platform in the back for the monitor & 2 wooden pegs on each side holding the platform.
    thankfully the crt was so large that it barely fit in there & kind of saved itself as it was resting on the front bezel when i got home one day when the plate it was sitting on had broken on the front.
    Mostly played half-life 1 mods, Half-life 2, Counter strike source, Doom 3, Need For Speed Pro Street, Underground 2 & similar games.)
    Forgot too unplug the router when going away on vacation & lightning had killed the motherboard via the lan port (reset bios, tried another ram stick we had laying around as well that was a 512 mb ddr2 but had no display)
    sold the gpu too a local guy after he came by & tested it in his system, but kind of wish i had kept it even if i couldn't use it at the time.
    Eventually got a pc for free from my mom which sparked interest in pc gaming again after being stuck with a laptop that was slow but worked with half-life 1 & trackmania nations forever which was free.
    but well that wasn't exactly fast either.
    2 gb ddr2 ram
    pentium dualcore at 1.6 ghz.
    Motherboard being an oem acer motherboard they had locked down the bios so only the e21xx cpu's could run in it or older pentium d & pentium 4 with 95w tdp at best.
    Found out after i had saved up money too buy a pentium dualcore e5300 processor (Had bought a HD 3650 512 mb as gpu after being stuck with a 8400 gs so a small upgrade at least.)
    (Was a bios update available for the motherboard but they didn't add support for any newer cpu's ofc only minor bugfix for allowing higher clock speeds on ram & some other bugfixes which didn't help much being stuck with that crappy cpu.)
    Managed too run left 4 dead 2 on it at least & ofc the same games as previously mentioned in this comment.
    And also got a acer socket 775 motherboard here which has a bios locked down too the e21xx series & early core 2 duo's on ecs own page, but this version of the bios is a different one which locks it down too 800 mhz fsb cpu's at best, otherwise it stays locked down.
    gonna continue comment later, thunder outside that started.

  • TheGoose81
    TheGoose81 3 years ago +1

    I am supprised that the Nvidia 79xx series chipsets are not mentioned here, I used to own (until I killed it by OC) An XFX 7950GT AGP card, with 512mb memory, the 79xx chip was made in 2006. I know for a fact that the 7950GT was the very last and fastest Nvidia AGP card made. I currently now own an XFX 7900GS 256MB card. Also the ATI HD 4670 was made in 2009, three years after Nvidia quit making AGP cards, so you could see it as an unfair comparison?

  • Michał Roztoczyński
    Michał Roztoczyński 4 years ago +3

    As always, I loved your video Phil. I think that this topic can be covered more deeply, but as it is it's already 20 minutes video :)
    Worth noting is that X850XT is probably the best usable W98 card. A lot of DX6 titles work without a problem and I am using PowerColor X850XT PE AGP to play anything from around 1997-1998 to 2005. 6 and 7 series cards can't come even close in terms of compatibility.
    HD3850 is sort of strange card. You can't use anything older than XP with it, so you can go with PCI-E version, and possibly - much better HD4850 instead. As you said - it's more an collectors item.
    Keep in mind, that NFS series is very CPU bound. I made an comment some time ago regarding 6800 series card underperforming in your videos. I confirmed that some time ago - even Athlon 64 X2 overclocked to 2,6GHz or Pentium D @ 4,2GHz are too slow for NFS: U2 with everything maxed out (and more importantly: rearview mirror turned on). Dips in framerates went away only when I switched to Pentium E5800 @ 4,3GHz! The same applies to first Underground: even X850XT is able to keep 60FPS @ 1600x1200 as long as you feed it with enough CPU power.
    As for me, I jumped to PCI-E quite early in 2006 when I swapped my outdated and voltomodded 9550@9600XT to 7600GS. Change was quite impressive.

    • M. V. Shooting
      M. V. Shooting 4 years ago

      That was nice! I was a late PCIe adopter. I was almost forced out of it, since I was stuck with this same 3850 AGP. Had to deal with integrated NVIDIA graphics until I could afford a PCIe graphics card.

    • Michał Roztoczyński
      Michał Roztoczyński 4 years ago

      valis Catalyst 6.2 for Windows 98 work nicely with X850 series cards despite not being certified

    • PhilsComputerLab
      PhilsComputerLab  4 years ago

      Thanks for sharing your experiences. Yea there is so much to cover with these cards, but we will unpack it slowly. I pay good attention to the comments to see what people find interesting :)

  • Tutankhaten
    Tutankhaten 4 years ago

    I still have my his hd 4670 and it has been used alot and it worked perfectly when i reboxed it nearly four years ago when i upgraded from socket 478 to socket 1366.

  • Blök Möp
    Blök Möp 4 years ago +1

    Well I stayed with my athlon xp 3200, msi kt6delta-fisr and ati x850xt-pe till late 2007. Then did a drastic update to Q6600, asus striker with nforce 680 and an asus 8800gtx. I never had such a bad board, the striker was a bitch in terms of ram compatibility. It didn't stay with me for very long, in 2009 I threw it out my balcony. It crashed hard. I then went with an evga nforce780 ftw. That board, coupled with a q9550 and geforce gtx 260 sli setup was really good. Stayed with me until late 2012. Then I went with a 3770k, a gigabyte z77x ud5h and an xfx 570 tgt beast. The board and cpu are still my main but graphics card got swapped for a geforce 980ti. I have a z270x ud5 and a 7700k as spare but unfortunately no ddr4 rams yet for it.

  • Travis
    Travis 4 years ago

    The 4670 should have a heatsink on it's bridge chip. I had two Ebay cards (both Radeon ice-Q) One had some quirks, didn't have the heatsink on it's bridge chip, the other had a factory bridge heatsink, ran with no problems. The 3850 has a pad because it's "enough cooling" where as the 4670 has a heatink.

  • Tanasen
    Tanasen 4 years ago +1

    I have a chance to acquire an HD3870X2 in exchange of a GTX750 2gb plus a small amount of money 15-20€. The Radeon card is a bit special and should be a good pair with the Q6700 but the GTX750 is more versatile (can run modern titles and can also be used in windows XP). I'm not sure if it's the GDDR4 version though. If it is, I'm thinking of making the exchange.

  • AtariBorn
    AtariBorn 4 years ago

    So, who wants a sequel to this video? Very interested in seeing a working 4670 in the same system/OS!

  • bpcgos
    bpcgos 4 years ago

    Ah...I Remember now... Its my dream AGP card to replace my ageing Radeon 9550 on my first PC. Almost all of Graphics Card are released with PCIe interface at the time, so my socket-478 system are pretty limited to be able to upgrade. In the end, I ended up build a whole new system using AM2+ system with Athlon II X2 4800+ and using HD 3200 onboard for the next couple of years

    • PhilsComputerLab
      PhilsComputerLab  4 years ago

      Yea they stopped with the GeForce 6 and Radeon X800 cards, later cards had AGP PCIe bridge chips, I'm not a big fan of those.

  • Mike Stavola
    Mike Stavola 2 years ago

    right after I bought my FX5900 ultra, I read about how the next gen of video cards were going to run on a "new style of 16x AGP slot" and I kicked myself.
    I still have my 5900. I sold my SLI 7800s after 2 years for BFG 9600s. And right now, I have an unused 9800 GTX+ sitting on my desk.

  • KyoshoLP
    KyoshoLP 4 years ago

    I never got around to trying NFS: Most Wanted and your footage made me realize the track you were on was a daytime version of one of the tracks in NFS: Underground. Well, daytime and Autumn as well, judging by the leaves on the trees. That's pretty cool! I should really get around to playing it.

  • 3800Tech
    3800Tech 4 years ago

    under windows 2003 server, nvidia drivers up to 2013 support 64 bit, geforce 6 in AGP. Quite excellent support which unfortunately you don't get in XP or similar.

  • Nintendork
    Nintendork 4 years ago

    A good for the time build would be something like Athlon X2 5400+ on AM2+ mobo.

  • Mateo Ri
    Mateo Ri 4 years ago

    I loved my HD 3850. Now im angry at myself for selling it. So many fun memories playing BioShock and Hitman: Blood Money. It will always be my favourite card. :)

  • BRO36S
    BRO36S 9 months ago

    I'm watching the video with the 3850 (fanless cooling) on Win 10 (heavily optimized and with Win 8 Drivers) and this old dog isn't giving up.
    8G RAM and A4-6300 Processor (FM-2 Socket)
    (GTA IV around 56/70 FPS and even of Medal of Honor Warfighter around 45/52 FPS)

  • Bige4u
    Bige4u 4 years ago

    I bought one used many years ago, the "HIS IceQ" version, but it didnt come with the 8pin adapter for the extra power it needed, no luck finding one back then, so i forgot about it... so here it lays in its box unused to this day

  • Christopher Lantesh
    Christopher Lantesh 3 years ago

    This was a really interesting video. AGP seemed like it came and went in the blink of an eye. I think I only had one AGP video card, and before it came time to replace it I was already moving on to a new motherboard. The industry moved so quickly back then. I've really slowed down on new builds since then. My current system is 8 years old now. Wow I really need to build something new again.

    • Christopher Lantesh
      Christopher Lantesh 3 years ago

      @PhilsComputerLab I'm sure it was around longer than I remember. I had probably simply moved on at that point, and just don't remember anymore. That was so many years ago. Thanks for the great info.

    • PhilsComputerLab
      PhilsComputerLab  3 years ago +1

      AGP was around for a few years at least, starting with the old Riva TNT and first GeForce cards, all the way up to the GeForce 6 and 7!

  • Dabombinable Mi
    Dabombinable Mi 2 years ago +1

    Looking at reviews, the 3850's AGP version would have been capable of playing Fallout 3 at 1080p/60fps with medium settings.

  • decimat777
    decimat777 4 years ago

    As much as I needed a video like this to determine what was the actual best agp card, now the prices are completely out of my range (while remaining within sanity). I ended up just getting a refurb HD 2600 Pro from newegg for $16

    • PhilsComputerLab
      PhilsComputerLab  4 years ago

      These top AGP cards have always been expensive. Without Electromyne I would never have covered this card. To save a buck, I'd go with a PCIe system these days.

  • Steven Tomlinson
    Steven Tomlinson 4 years ago

    I've been looking for one of these for months and they never come up in AGP. I actually bought one a while back but it was a PCI they mis-sold me as AGP. I'm never going to find one at a sensible price after this video :D

  • DrumSmoker
    DrumSmoker Year ago

    I'm really jealous, the best AGP I currently have is a HD 2600 Pro.

  • Commodorefan64
    Commodorefan64 4 years ago +2

    This video is excellent timing, as I recently scored a free Dell Dimension 4600 system from the local recycle drop off, and have been looking at video cards for it, so this should help me out on what to keep my eyes open for, as I want the best I can get, and max out the system. So If I can get the drivers to run I'll be dual booting Windows 98, and Windows XP(each setup on different HDD as I have 2 SATA ports in the system). Far as having a system during the AGP to PCI-E switch over, I kind of missed it, since I only had a basic 14in ACER Windows XP laptop for getting online along with older games, lightweight games, and emulators at that point in time, and was doing most of my gaming on a GameCube, along with my other retro consoles, and honestly did not really get back into PC gaming till around late 08 when I had better finances with my work, and was able to build a proper system with dual Nvidia 9500GT 1GB cards in SLI(got a crazy black friday deal on them from Tigerdirect).

    • Mitsos Tech Tips
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    • Mitsos Tech Tips
      Mitsos Tech Tips 4 years ago

      i am doing the same thing, in my computer i have ide hdd drive, i have one with windows xp for retro gaming, and one with windows 7 for modern gaming on pentium4 2.89ghz, 1gb ddr1 ram, and Ati sapphire 2600 pro hd 512mb vram, it is quite decent

    • AtariBorn
      AtariBorn 4 years ago

      Just a heads up, You can pick up a small adapter to convert your 4 pin proprietary fan plug into a standard 3 pin PWM so you can use a regular cooler on a standard ATX case. Also, they make a cable to convert that Soundblaster Live style front panel audio port to a standard front panel audio for that standard case. I also picked a cable to plug into the power switch/reset switch/HDD LED/power LED port and it has standard pins to connect to the front panel. I scored a Dimension 4600 a while back, one that I upgraded for a friend a few years before. 4 GB of DDR 400 and a Pentium 4 3.4Ghz Northwood. I added a Zalman copper core cooler to make sure it never gets hot. You'll need to pick up a socket 478 backplate to mount an aftermarket cooler as the Dell all in one cooling system on a 4600 uses the side panel to mount the heatsink.

  • M. V. Shooting
    M. V. Shooting 4 years ago

    Back in those times (2009), I made the mistake of getting one of these for my main computer, which had a Prescott Socket 478 Pentium 4 CPU. I know, it was a big mistake. I then found the expected CPU bottleneck and got stuck with a GPU that left me few upgrade options. Had to search for an AGP-enabled AM2 motherboard for an Athlon 64 X2 5200+, and even then the performance wasn't that great. Ahh, the teenage mistakes...

    • M. V. Shooting
      M. V. Shooting 4 years ago

      In retrospective, yes! I think it was an MSI K9MM-V, which only supported 2 GB of RAM, up to an Athlon 64 X2 6000+ (no Phenom support), and sported a crappy VIA chipset.

    • PhilsComputerLab
      PhilsComputerLab  4 years ago

      AGP enabled AM2 board sounds very interesting!

  • Gareth Fairclough
    Gareth Fairclough 4 years ago +4

    Man, I still recognise the old x800xt by sight alone..
    I wanted one of those so badly back in the day.

    • Gareth Fairclough
      Gareth Fairclough 4 years ago

      A 9800? Lucky you! I was still chugging along with a Geforce 2 MX400! :P
      I recall getting a laptop with a 9700 in it not long after though.

    • PhilsComputerLab
      PhilsComputerLab  4 years ago +1

      Man I remember when I was on a 9800 and reading the X800 reviews. I would follow most of the forums, like Anandtech, soaking up every bit of information. I never got one. Until now :D

  • emil j
    emil j 3 years ago

    I had the HD3850 AGP from HIS with the nice IceQ3-cooler. I ran it with an Intel Pentium D805 @3,5GHz (the only 2-core cpu i could effort at that time) on a Gigabyte Board with Intel G865 Chip and 2GB 333DDR RAM@350MHz. Thanks to the excellent cooler, i could run the HD 3850 with 800MHz, wich was faster than the HD3870 :). The driver was a real pain in the ass though; it took me 2 days to make the graphic card running.

    • Talvisota
      Talvisota 3 years ago

      yeah you need to use agp hotfix drivers, the normal drivers for the hd 3000 series wont detect any agp card

  • Björn G.
    Björn G. 15 days ago

    I had both the 3850 and the 4670 back in the day, being reluctant to upgrade to PCI Express from my beloved AGP system. They followed a 6800GS and a 7800GS from Leadtek, which had become too slow to play titles like Test Drive Unlimited at higher resolutions smoothly. Unfortunately, the Radeons were fast but their drivers always gave me headaches. The nVidia drivers had been much more conveniant these days.
    I would still be very interested in a comparison with the 7800GS, for example from Gainward, with the G71 Chip and full 24/8 shaders, which is part of my revived WinXP-Retro-PC.
    I have some 3DMark results for this clocked at 552MHz Core and 1450MHz Ram (System: Asus P4P800SE, CT-479 Adapter an Pentium-M 770 @2,4GHz, 2GB Ram DDR400, FSB800):
    - 3DMark2000: 27974 @16bit
    - 3DMark2001: 31292 @16bit / 30340 @32bit
    - 3DMark2003: 19534 @32bit
    - 3DMark05: 8979 @32bit
    - 3DMark06: 5301 @32bit

  • José Bonilla
    José Bonilla 4 years ago +1

    Now THIS is a video i wanted to see! I've been hunting for one of these beasts for cheap, to replace my Geforce4 Ti 4200 on my "Frankenstein" AsRock 775i65G with a Core 2 Duo X6800, as i'd like to play at 1600x1200 with all details enabled with XP games, like the benchmarks you ran on here.

    • José Bonilla
      José Bonilla 4 years ago

      Yeah, i leave it at 800 MHz anyways. CPU IPC and the extra core should do more than improve performance, however i have not been able to validate that statement.

    • PhilsComputerLab
      PhilsComputerLab  4 years ago

      Nice motherboard, I'll have something similar soon, but I think I'll go with a 800 MHz FSB CPU, as at 1066 the Chipset is actually being overclocked.

  • Ageve Nisse
    Ageve Nisse 4 years ago

    I remember the HD 4650 AGP being very picky about drivers. The wrong one (usually the official/generic) always caused a BSOD. Once the correct driver was installed it worked fine.

    • PhilsComputerLab
      PhilsComputerLab  4 years ago

      Yea most of ATI's cards that use that AGP bridge chip are like that.

  • Stijn Bagin
    Stijn Bagin 4 years ago

    My last AGP card was a X1600XT 256MB on a 3.0 Prescott.. In 2008 I switched to Wolfdale E8x with PCI xpress HD4850.

  • Ty
    Ty 4 years ago +1

    Ahhh... the good old days when our video cards came with transparent neon colored fan shrouds and pictures of buxom CGI fantasy girls. What a great time that was to be a gamer.

  • MrAetherium
    MrAetherium 4 years ago

    I've got a PCIe version of the X1950 pro 256mb and it suprisingly works in windows 10 paired with a Athlon x2 4600+

  • Outtheredude
    Outtheredude 4 years ago +1

    I was stuck on AGP until 2015 with an MSI 256MB passively cooled Radeon HD 2600 Pro on an MSI K8N Neo2 nForce3 Ultra motherboard with an Athlon 64 X2 4800+ CPU and 4x1GB of Kingston Cas 2 DDR 400 memory, as it took a long time for me to raise the money for a new build.

    • Mitsos Tech Tips
      Mitsos Tech Tips 4 years ago +1

      i am using this ati sapphire 2600 pro right now, at agp version 512mb