How to Create a Vegan World? - Tobias Leenaert [IARC2017]

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  • Опубликовано: 9 сен 2017
  • ar-conference.org/ In this presentation (31 min), Tobias Leenaert (aka Vegan Strategist) talks about the importance of open-mindedness, empathy, rationality and positivity in the animal rights movement.
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    ## About Tobias Leenaert ##
    Tobias Leenaert blogs at www.veganstrategist.org and is a longtime speaker and strategist. Together with Melanie Joy, Tobias gives vegan advocacy trainings all over the world for the Center for Effective Vegan Advocacy (CEVA). He is also the co-founder of ProVeg, an international pro-vegan organization with the mission to reduce the global consumption of animals by 50% by the year 2040. Tobias is the author of "How to Create a Vegan World: a Pragmatic Approach". He lives in Ghent, Belgium, with his partner, two dogs, and at least six cats.

Комментарии • 46

  • Krach
    Krach 22 дня назад

    Watching it while eating a bag of chicken nuggets. :D

  • Stefan Lubinski
    Stefan Lubinski 25 дней назад

    Strange message: promoting empathy for Ku-Klux-Klan members, hunters and bullfighters and in the same speech reducing a famous vegan activist like Gary Yourofsky to an ugly image of aggression. [8:17 & 8:36]. Labelling a person this way is by no means a fair representation. So please ask yourself the questions you´re recommending to your audience: Have I ever thought about this thoroughly? What info do I miss? What are my biases? Am I practising slow opinion?

  • DV RD
    DV RD 26 дней назад

    Great lecture

  • UNDER GRACE
    UNDER GRACE Месяц назад +1

    Brilliant everyone knows you gather more bees with honey (no pun intended) than with vinegar...however, I would eat the vegan burger

  • Sacha Bernasconi
    Sacha Bernasconi Месяц назад

    Tobias, thank you for your talk, however I personally don't agree with your view. You are so focused disrupting the idea of veganism as "sect" that you reinforce this idea even more by lowering standards so you can encompass more people and make the sect bigger. Don't get me wrong, every single person deciding to stop consuming animal products every single time is a step in the right direction and helps an animal somewhere. But each person should understand and not forget what animal abuse they contributing to and have the goal to stop participating in it. It is not about being called vegan or not, level 95 or 200 does not exist and creates more confusion, it is simply about partaking in animal abuse or not. We should have empathy with others because we should not forget we were similar to them before we saw what we were contributing to. We should empatize with anyone not knowing the suffering they are causing, showing them reality and helping them change. If someone however looks at animal suffering with total carelessness or even actively participate in torture, I see no reason to empathize with them, we should empathize with the poor animals who are being tortured and killed!

  • Spasoje Kulasevic
    Spasoje Kulasevic 4 месяца назад

    :)

  • H. G.
    H. G. 8 месяцев назад +3

    Beautiful presentation. Thoughtful, humble, and empathetic.
    I am one of those 99.99% vegans. For a long time, I avoided calling myself vegan. Whenever a non-vegan asked me if I was vegan, I would answer, "I'm not really vegan because once or twice a year when I'm traveling and there is no other option available, I have a vegetarian meal." Or, "I'm not really vegan because I'm concerned that plastic waste is harmful to animals, so I can't convince myself to systematically avoid wool in favor of synthetics." One day, I realized that I was turning non-vegans off by avoiding the vegan label. I was giving them the impression that veganism is impossibly difficult. They were probably saying to themselves, "This is crazy. If even this person can't call herself vegan, there is no way I could ever be vegan."
    (For those who are unaware, "synthetic" means "plastic". Your "acrylic" sweater will be around, in a landfill if not in an ocean or a forest, for possibly thousands of years after you're gone -- not to mention it releases tiny bits of plastic into the waterways every time you wash it. Blindly following a set of arbitrary rules doesn't always result in a better outcome for animals.)
    So, vegans: it really so important what someone else calls himself or herself? If relaxing the definition of "vegan" ever-so-slightly could grow veganism faster and save the lives of hundreds or even thousands of animals per second, what reason can there possibly be for not doing so? Note that the original definition of "vegan" included the words "as far as is possible and practicable". Modern-day vegans who insist on perfection are going well beyond the original definition and are inadvertently hurting the very cause they believe in.
    In my opinion, the word "vegan" should refer to someone who is doing his or her personal best to minimize animal suffering. According to this definition, someone who does Meatless Mondays or eats meat once a month because he likes the taste is not yet vegan, but someone who is working three jobs to make ends meet and sometimes, when a family emergency prevents her from preparing a vegan lunch to bring with her, eats a cheese sandwich from a convenience store to avoid going hungry is vegan. In a 90% vegan world, that person would be 100% vegan, and our job is to bring the world to that point. Veganism should not be about labels or about feeling morally superior to non-vegans. It should always be about the animals.

  • B Vegan
    B Vegan 9 месяцев назад +5

    Hi Tobias. I watched this video with interest. You make a lot of good points and I see the quality in the approach. However, in the UK the births minus deaths population growth is outstripping the rise in new dietary vegans by 6 to 1, so for every 100 new vegans per day there are 600 new people and it seems that this softly softly approach is not working. More animals are being killed today than were killed yesterday.Having been vegan for a while and heard similar arguments throughout that time, I am not expecting any major change any time soon so I was wondering what your strategy is when the numbers say no?

    • Ben
      Ben 6 месяцев назад +1

      The future rate of change isn't set by the current rate, it can accelerate

    • Petka Antonov
      Petka Antonov 6 месяцев назад

      Is your goal to increase the number of people that identify as vegan or to reduce animal suffering? Those are very different goals. It is reasonable to believe they might even be contradictory goals.

  • Rebecca Allen
    Rebecca Allen 10 месяцев назад +2

    Thank you. Beautifully said. This helps address some of the concerns I have had.

  • rob ruly
    rob ruly 11 месяцев назад

    There are no vegans, a cows milk demoniser doesn't qualify . You've been misled . Vegan is sexy , cows milk demonising isn't .

  • Roger Yates
    Roger Yates 11 месяцев назад +3

    Notice that Leenaert raises human rights analogies - but does deal with that, apart from saying it's not the same. The reason these reducetarians cannot address human rights analogies is because it makes their position disgusting.
    Oh, this guy, he goes once a year to a brothel where he rapes a trafficked person. The rest of the year, he has sex with people that volunteer. But - sure - he's a human rights advocate.

    • Petka Antonov
      Petka Antonov 6 месяцев назад

      "Oh, this guy, he goes once a year to a brothel where he rapes a trafficked person. The rest of the year, he has sex with people that volunteer. But - sure - he's a human rights advocate."
      You are saying it's better that someone rapes trafficked people all day every day than just one time per year as long as they don't call themselves a human rights advocate. I think that position is 365 times more disgusting.

    • Tobias Leenaert
      Tobias Leenaert 7 месяцев назад

      some context on this person: veganstrategist.org/2017/05/06/words-activist-called-roger-yates/

    • Roger Yates
      Roger Yates 11 месяцев назад +1

      I think not. If we know the difference between moral and legal rights, for example, then the legal position does not alter the moral issues involved. Tobias Leenaert sanctions rights violations now in order to obtain some assumed benefit in the future. It is easy to be "pragmatic" when you personally will never be the one facing a slaughterhouse door.

  • Roger Yates
    Roger Yates 11 месяцев назад +5

    I hope people realise that the notion of breaking your own rules means engaging in rights violations. Tobias Leenaert has been encouraging people to engage in animal rights violations for years.

    • indy
      indy Месяц назад

      Tobias Leenaert, it's painfully obvious that you're ignorant of animal rights theory. Yet, somehow that doesn't stop you from accusing animal rights advocates (as in advocates for moral rights) of being dogmatic, while you hypocritically extol the virtues of open-mindedness, slowly forming an opinion, and nondescript rationality. This is the same "rationality" bravado nonsense that I hear from many "pragmatic vegans" who also vehemently and ignorantly attack both animal rights and animal rights advocates--labeling the two as "dogmatic." And, no, reading one Gary Francione book in the 90s doesn't constitute as a rational basis for your welfarism or your antagonism to animal rights. You're the unwitting heir of Peter Singer's reprehensible theory.

    • Tobias Leenaert
      Tobias Leenaert 7 месяцев назад +2

      some context on this person: veganstrategist.org/2017/05/06/words-activist-called-roger-yates/

    • Vegi Jen
      Vegi Jen 10 месяцев назад +2

      Roger, I'll just have some birthday cake with stolen cow's milk and battered hens eggs to show my office co-workers I'm a cool vegan. Then when I tell my vegan friends they better not tell me I'm not vegan. [bleeding sarcasm].

    • Roger Yates
      Roger Yates 10 месяцев назад +2

      You don't know what animal rights violations are?

  • Louis Dooner
    Louis Dooner 11 месяцев назад +5

    Beautiful :)

  • Havid
    Havid 11 месяцев назад +9

    Well done Tobias! You deserve the big applaus!

    • Havid
      Havid 11 месяцев назад +1

      See my reply to your other comment.

    • Roger Yates
      Roger Yates 11 месяцев назад +2

      You think? Why? - this is blatant sanctioning of animal rights violations at an animal rights conference. No-one should do that, especially there.

  • Bagam
    Bagam 11 месяцев назад +6

    I never heard about people trying to out-vegan each other by percentage. A vegan is simply someone who does not consume animal products as much as reasonably possible in order to avoid funding animal exploitation.

  • Neisser Trujillo
    Neisser Trujillo 11 месяцев назад +2

    No hay en español? T.T

    • BertasU
      BertasU 11 месяцев назад

      whole world has to learn english, why should you be an exception?

  • Kane Rogers
    Kane Rogers 11 месяцев назад +3

    Tobias' voice is very comforting.

  • Sharon Tucker
    Sharon Tucker 11 месяцев назад +6

    Great video! See also two equally wonderful Tobias Leenaert videos, "Strategic Communication" and my favorite "Making Compassion Easier."

  • BertasU
    BertasU 11 месяцев назад +4

    love these insights: )

  • Lorenz Krüger
    Lorenz Krüger 11 месяцев назад +2

    When you google "pictures to restore your faith in humanity" and you see a bunch of people who do horribly inefficient things with almost no impact... Damn you, Tobias :(

    • GOLDENFLY WARRIOR
      GOLDENFLY WARRIOR 11 месяцев назад

      What the hell are you talking about? Faith? Why are you damning Tobias? Please try to explain.