How to Create a Vegan World? - Tobias Leenaert [IARC2017]

  • Опубликовано: 9 сен 2017
  • In this presentation (31 min), Tobias Leenaert (aka Vegan Strategist) talks about the importance of open-mindedness, empathy, rationality and positivity in the animal rights movement.
    ## About Tobias Leenaert ##
    Tobias Leenaert blogs at and is a longtime speaker and strategist. Together with Melanie Joy, Tobias gives vegan advocacy trainings all over the world for the Center for Effective Vegan Advocacy (CEVA). He is also the co-founder of ProVeg, an international pro-vegan organization with the mission to reduce the global consumption of animals by 50% by the year 2040. Tobias is the author of "How to Create a Vegan World: a Pragmatic Approach". He lives in Ghent, Belgium, with his partner, two dogs, and at least six cats.

Комментарии • 42

  • Brittany Sparkman
    Brittany Sparkman Месяц назад

    You have an awesome view on things. Excellent words. Thank you

  • Alejandro Betancourt
    Alejandro Betancourt 3 месяца назад +1

    I've been experiencing different results with the "soft" approach ( what the lecture presents ) vs the direct approach. ( Show it or say it like it is ).
    Unfortunately, Humans are not that rational. You can show them pics, videos, and whatever of happy animals, caring for them and the like , just to hear them moments after craving animal products.
    Instead, when posting the crude reality on social media, the results are coming in... People write and become interested in how they can overcome their carnism.
    The one thing I always try to do, is show the crude reality, and then ask them nicely please respect life, all life, if I can help you or guide you I'll be here, and the like.
    I'm just offering my own results, which are not a relevant statist. So please I'd love to know what your results are with which strategy...
    Thank you all of you who choose to live in a way avoiding cruelty.

    • meghana killi
      meghana killi 2 месяца назад +1

      This is what I observed too. As long as you pamper people, it will never even occur to them to change. The truth is not fun; it's not comfortable; it's not easy to digest. If you want to know the truth, you have to take those blinders off, and it's not a pretty sight. But it's essential for change.

  • k. g
    k. g 4 месяца назад +1

    I completely agree. Chastising imperfect vegans is an ego trip. Relax people! 95% vegan is great, if that helps that person stay vegan! Would you prefer if they stopped being vegan altogether? Don't be that asshole fundamentalist pointng out someone else's sins.. Oh, you were not a virgin when you got married?? You cannot call yourself a Christian!

  • Krach
    Krach 5 месяцев назад +1

    Watching it while eating a bag of chicken nuggets. :D

  • Stefan Lubinski
    Stefan Lubinski 6 месяцев назад +2

    Strange message: promoting empathy for Ku-Klux-Klan members, hunters and bullfighters and in the same speech reducing a famous vegan activist like Gary Yourofsky to an ugly image of aggression. [8:17 & 8:36]. Labelling a person this way is by no means a fair representation. So please ask yourself the questions you´re recommending to your audience: Have I ever thought about this thoroughly? What info do I miss? What are my biases? Am I practising slow opinion?

  • DV RD
    DV RD 6 месяцев назад

    Great lecture

    UNDER GRACE 6 месяцев назад +1

    Brilliant everyone knows you gather more bees with honey (no pun intended) than with vinegar...however, I would eat the vegan burger

  • Sacha Bernasconi
    Sacha Bernasconi 7 месяцев назад +1

    Tobias, thank you for your talk, however I personally don't agree with your view. You are so focused disrupting the idea of veganism as "sect" that you reinforce this idea even more by lowering standards so you can encompass more people and make the sect bigger. Don't get me wrong, every single person deciding to stop consuming animal products every single time is a step in the right direction and helps an animal somewhere. But each person should understand and not forget what animal abuse they contributing to and have the goal to stop participating in it. It is not about being called vegan or not, level 95 or 200 does not exist and creates more confusion, it is simply about partaking in animal abuse or not. We should have empathy with others because we should not forget we were similar to them before we saw what we were contributing to. We should empatize with anyone not knowing the suffering they are causing, showing them reality and helping them change. If someone however looks at animal suffering with total carelessness or even actively participate in torture, I see no reason to empathize with them, we should empathize with the poor animals who are being tortured and killed!

    • Claudia Estanislau
      Claudia Estanislau 3 месяца назад

      there is always someone more vegan than you, that is the question posed... are you going to waste your time arguing with them and them with you or should we focus on the people who are not yet vegan nor vegetarians... a lot of vegans dismiss vegetarianism the same way they accuse Tobias for his views. In reality its been over 25 years Tobias has done anything remotely "non vegan" but he wants to embrace more people into not eating animals, that is better done by accepting that most people will be more likely to reduce than to completely stop. If enough people stop drinking cows milk someday that milk will stop existing all together, and there will be no other choices. If however you focus on wither stop all dairy or you are an hipocrite then the person does not stop drinking milk and the suffering continues.

    • Sacha Bernasconi
      Sacha Bernasconi 4 месяца назад +1

      You may not compare it to religious views. Religions are the opposite of education as they make people believe blindly in stories they are told even when all evidence proof otherwise. There are no shortage of idiots that even kill in the name of religion, and if this numbers are low nowadays on human victims, they are crazy high with animal victims. Taking religion as an example anyone not being 100% religious is actually a better person.
      Veganism is not a belief nor a lifestyle, it should be a moral baseline for everyone. It is not about perfect or not, nor any ego trip,... it is simply about torturing and killing or not doing it. Veganism is all about not hurting and killing the ones that have done nothing to us. Why would you not want to stand 100% behind this?

    • k. g
      k. g 4 месяца назад +1

      Because this is a moral issue, you might compare it to religious views. So for instance, someone who is a devout Christian might say that another person cannot call themselves a Christian because they support gay right or something like that. Vegans can become perfectionists and start acting like fundamentalist Christians. And then, we have to ask ourselves: what is important here? Chastising someone because they are only 95% vegan (they have sinned!) or focus on supporting that vegan? Which one is better for the animals? If you think you are perfect and others might not be, it might be a good question to ask if this is not some ego trip?

  • H. G.
    H. G. Год назад +10

    Beautiful presentation. Thoughtful, humble, and empathetic.
    I am one of those 99.99% vegans. For a long time, I avoided calling myself vegan. Whenever a non-vegan asked me if I was vegan, I would answer, "I'm not really vegan because once or twice a year when I'm traveling and there is no other option available, I have a vegetarian meal." Or, "I'm not really vegan because I'm concerned that plastic waste is harmful to animals, so I can't convince myself to systematically avoid wool in favor of synthetics." One day, I realized that I was turning non-vegans off by avoiding the vegan label. I was giving them the impression that veganism is impossibly difficult. They were probably saying to themselves, "This is crazy. If even this person can't call herself vegan, there is no way I could ever be vegan."
    (For those who are unaware, "synthetic" means "plastic". Your "acrylic" sweater will be around, in a landfill if not in an ocean or a forest, for possibly thousands of years after you're gone -- not to mention it releases tiny bits of plastic into the waterways every time you wash it. Blindly following a set of arbitrary rules doesn't always result in a better outcome for animals.)
    So, vegans: it really so important what someone else calls himself or herself? If relaxing the definition of "vegan" ever-so-slightly could grow veganism faster and save the lives of hundreds or even thousands of animals per second, what reason can there possibly be for not doing so? Note that the original definition of "vegan" included the words "as far as is possible and practicable". Modern-day vegans who insist on perfection are going well beyond the original definition and are inadvertently hurting the very cause they believe in.
    In my opinion, the word "vegan" should refer to someone who is doing his or her personal best to minimize animal suffering. According to this definition, someone who does Meatless Mondays or eats meat once a month because he likes the taste is not yet vegan, but someone who is working three jobs to make ends meet and sometimes, when a family emergency prevents her from preparing a vegan lunch to bring with her, eats a cheese sandwich from a convenience store to avoid going hungry is vegan. In a 90% vegan world, that person would be 100% vegan, and our job is to bring the world to that point. Veganism should not be about labels or about feeling morally superior to non-vegans. It should always be about the animals.

  • B Vegan
    B Vegan Год назад +5

    Hi Tobias. I watched this video with interest. You make a lot of good points and I see the quality in the approach. However, in the UK the births minus deaths population growth is outstripping the rise in new dietary vegans by 6 to 1, so for every 100 new vegans per day there are 600 new people and it seems that this softly softly approach is not working. More animals are being killed today than were killed yesterday.Having been vegan for a while and heard similar arguments throughout that time, I am not expecting any major change any time soon so I was wondering what your strategy is when the numbers say no?

    • Ben
      Ben 11 месяцев назад +1

      The future rate of change isn't set by the current rate, it can accelerate

    • Petka Antonov
      Petka Antonov 11 месяцев назад

      Is your goal to increase the number of people that identify as vegan or to reduce animal suffering? Those are very different goals. It is reasonable to believe they might even be contradictory goals.

  • Rebecca Allen
    Rebecca Allen Год назад +3

    Thank you. Beautifully said. This helps address some of the concerns I have had.

  • rob ruly
    rob ruly Год назад

    There are no vegans, a cows milk demoniser doesn't qualify . You've been misled . Vegan is sexy , cows milk demonising isn't .

  • Roger Yates
    Roger Yates Год назад +3

    Notice that Leenaert raises human rights analogies - but does deal with that, apart from saying it's not the same. The reason these reducetarians cannot address human rights analogies is because it makes their position disgusting.
    Oh, this guy, he goes once a year to a brothel where he rapes a trafficked person. The rest of the year, he has sex with people that volunteer. But - sure - he's a human rights advocate.

    • Petka Antonov
      Petka Antonov 11 месяцев назад

      "Oh, this guy, he goes once a year to a brothel where he rapes a trafficked person. The rest of the year, he has sex with people that volunteer. But - sure - he's a human rights advocate."
      You are saying it's better that someone rapes trafficked people all day every day than just one time per year as long as they don't call themselves a human rights advocate. I think that position is 365 times more disgusting.

    • Tobias Leenaert
      Tobias Leenaert Год назад

      some context on this person:

    • Roger Yates
      Roger Yates Год назад +1

      I think not. If we know the difference between moral and legal rights, for example, then the legal position does not alter the moral issues involved. Tobias Leenaert sanctions rights violations now in order to obtain some assumed benefit in the future. It is easy to be "pragmatic" when you personally will never be the one facing a slaughterhouse door.

  • Roger Yates
    Roger Yates Год назад +6

    I hope people realise that the notion of breaking your own rules means engaging in rights violations. Tobias Leenaert has been encouraging people to engage in animal rights violations for years.

    • indy
      indy 6 месяцев назад

      Tobias Leenaert, it's painfully obvious that you're ignorant of animal rights theory. Yet, somehow that doesn't stop you from accusing animal rights advocates (as in advocates for moral rights) of being dogmatic, while you hypocritically extol the virtues of open-mindedness, slowly forming an opinion, and nondescript rationality. This is the same "rationality" bravado nonsense that I hear from many "pragmatic vegans" who also vehemently and ignorantly attack both animal rights and animal rights advocates--labeling the two as "dogmatic." And, no, reading one Gary Francione book in the 90s doesn't constitute as a rational basis for your welfarism or your antagonism to animal rights. You're the unwitting heir of Peter Singer's reprehensible theory.

    • Tobias Leenaert
      Tobias Leenaert Год назад +2

      some context on this person:

    • Vegi Jen
      Vegi Jen Год назад +3

      Roger, I'll just have some birthday cake with stolen cow's milk and battered hens eggs to show my office co-workers I'm a cool vegan. Then when I tell my vegan friends they better not tell me I'm not vegan. [bleeding sarcasm].

    • Roger Yates
      Roger Yates Год назад +2

      You don't know what animal rights violations are?

  • Louis Dooner
    Louis Dooner Год назад +5

    Beautiful :)

  • Havid
    Havid Год назад +10

    Well done Tobias! You deserve the big applaus!

    • Havid
      Havid Год назад +1

      See my reply to your other comment.

    • Roger Yates
      Roger Yates Год назад +2

      You think? Why? - this is blatant sanctioning of animal rights violations at an animal rights conference. No-one should do that, especially there.

  • Bagam
    Bagam Год назад +10

    I never heard about people trying to out-vegan each other by percentage. A vegan is simply someone who does not consume animal products as much as reasonably possible in order to avoid funding animal exploitation.

  • Neisser Trujillo
    Neisser Trujillo Год назад +2

    No hay en español? T.T

  • Kane Rogers
    Kane Rogers Год назад +3

    Tobias' voice is very comforting.

  • Sharon Tucker
    Sharon Tucker Год назад +6

    Great video! See also two equally wonderful Tobias Leenaert videos, "Strategic Communication" and my favorite "Making Compassion Easier."

  • bertasu cynical reactions
    bertasu cynical reactions Год назад +4

    love these insights: )

  • Lorenz Krüger
    Lorenz Krüger Год назад +2

    When you google "pictures to restore your faith in humanity" and you see a bunch of people who do horribly inefficient things with almost no impact... Damn you, Tobias :(


      What the hell are you talking about? Faith? Why are you damning Tobias? Please try to explain.