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Comments • 3 863

  • Tom Carey
    Tom Carey 3 months ago

    Being detained before your trial seems to go against innocent until proven guilty.

  • The Richards Revealed - TRR

    Great point @ proxies for race around 7 minutes. I hadn't considered that until mentioned it. Seemed pretty straightforward until that point came up.

  • Lissi
    Lissi 5 months ago

    If you break a law, you get punished. Don't make an action you're not prepared for the consequences.

  • zoryvett rodriguez
    zoryvett rodriguez 5 months ago

    Okay I just wanted to start off by saying the girl talking about her Father in a domestic violence is so out of touch with reality it's ridiculous. I wanted to say that first before I talk about me actually liking the video. It gives me a unique prospective. Let's be clear though her Father was accused of Domestic Violence(which for someone who lived with my father abusing my mother I can tell you that unless my mother was calling the cops on him no one did) and he was a risk to his family because he was accused of Domestic Violence. So your solution to him not having a bond (and your defense for not going through with a bill that gets rid of bonds) is to give him separate housing so he can continue to provide for your family? The winds are out of the sails. You're father wasn't a danger?? This girl is like he went to jail, told he was a risk (because of the Domestic Violence accusation) and he couldn't provide for us? Like guuuuurl I can't take you seriously AT ALL! He deserves a bond because y'all don't have a provider. I can't. Then the first girl. Okay so the story almost starts off as if she was falsely accused but it turns out she was aiding and abetting in a robbery that must of been planned out. Okay it was good she was out and her rehabilitation proves she was remorseful but she thinks that the way the new system was set up that she would't have been out. The thing that took me by surprise is the amount of police was sent her way. Helicopters? Dogs? Um that sounds a lot more serious than a "little shoplifting" but okay. The bail system benefitted her and she redeemed herself but she is literally the exception to the rule and the bail system doesn't work for people who can't get the money together in two weeks. Her family got there but trust me I have been there and the money was not gathered in two weeks. It benefitted her but what about the families below the poverty line who aren't aiding and abetting in a felony robbery?

  • Twistfaria
    Twistfaria 6 months ago

    This was a really interesting piece. I think you did a pretty good job of letting all sides air their opinions without a clear bias. It was a little vague whether Amber-Rose knew about the robbery before the fact. However I do believe that non-violent first offense crimes committed by stupid teens shouldn't have to completely ruin their lives. I don't see a clear winner in this bail argument. I understand why there is a bail system to limit the risk of people just running but I think there should be a better way. It seems vastly skewed for those in a lower income bracket. It would make it that those in a lower class would have a higher likelihood of being falsely convicted just because they couldn't pay bail to look like a citizen rather than a criminal.

  • Tidalslam
    Tidalslam 6 months ago

    None of the arguments against implementing cashless bail make any sense
    The only people arguing against it are the bail-bondsman trying to make money off the misfortune of others and people who are legitimate flight risks

  • EcnalKcin
    EcnalKcin 6 months ago

    Bail should be done away with....There are other reforms that should be enacted, but that doesn't mean we should wait to fix something that is broken because the fix isn't perfect. I also like the idea of better communication from the court so far as the court date and notifications. On the other hand, the argument that people will be treated based on race under the bailless system because they are from "areas that are over policed" seems like someone is looking for excuses.

  • laintrane
    laintrane 6 months ago

    "Of the over 700,000 people incarcerated in local jails throughout the country, 65% have not been convicted of a crime."
    Bruh.

  • Araknair
    Araknair 6 months ago

    I love the ambiguity of this and other reports, truly amazing to see how these morning shows have evolved. Thanks Cody.

  • The Zebra Hippy Hall
    The Zebra Hippy Hall 6 months ago

    Yet no bail prison systems work everywhere else in the world...kinda like the way everywhere else has less mass shootings...

  • Rusty Shackleford
    Rusty Shackleford 6 months ago

    WHERE IS DOG THE BOUNTY HUNTER

  • Skelld
    Skelld 6 months ago

    So with the new system she would have been in jail, but because she payed the bond and fought the case an accomplice to robbery walked free?

  • Janusha
    Janusha 6 months ago

    Bail is essentially freedom for money. Freedom for profit. Just like america has education and healthcare for profit. Shame... Such a shame. When did USA become so FUCKED.

  • Andrei
    Andrei 6 months ago

    Bail system - 100% unfair.
    Algorithm system - might be unfair, we don't know until we try it.
    So what's even the question here? Of course try something that at least might be better, instead of just keeping what you know for sure is not good.

  • MrEvitcartta
    MrEvitcartta 6 months ago

    Oh no not 8000 bail jobs. If only you could find a way to make a living that isn't dependent on profiting off the desperation of people D:

  • Seven Tools
    Seven Tools 6 months ago

    Drop the Bail system, it's only beneficial for rich people. Algorithms also should not be the end all be all, have people act as a stop gap.

  • What Lies Beneath The Weave

    ABOLISH THE ARCHAIC CASH BAIL SYSTEM. I deplore the idea that folks are locked up SIMPLY because they're poor. There are so many stories about people who have not been convicted of a crime. But because they can't afford a simple $500 or $1000 bail, they're doing hard time for it. Most of these are for petty offenses like loitering or weed possession. Living at or just above poverty is hard enough as it is. At the end of the day, bail bondsmen are getting rich because citizens NEED to be free to return to their jobs.

  • Jasper Arce
    Jasper Arce 6 months ago

    my life is depending on this crappy criminal justice system

  • Preston Petit
    Preston Petit 6 months ago

    i voted for this in new mexico in 2016 while I worked at a detention center seeing these issues and knowing they need reform. For first time offenders it was a god send. but what we soon saw was repeat offenders getting released by a judge within days, reoffending, and getting released. these risk assessment tools DO NOT WORK FOR REAL CRIMINALS! look to new mexico bail reform for reference. I see the intention and it is good. Buuut so is socialism.

  • DaKermitFrog
    DaKermitFrog 6 months ago

    7:40 I have never been arrested for no reason, systemic racism doesn't exist, just because you're black or brown doesn't mean you're being targeted, it's your actions that get you arrested..

  • Tony Johnson
    Tony Johnson 6 months ago

    Have you tried not committing crimes? I heard its the best way to avoid paying bail.

  • D Mal
    D Mal 6 months ago

    Forgive my ignorance but why not just put an ankle monitor on everyone and charge them an installation fee then per month monitoring fee that is paid back if found innocent? The exception would be pedophiles and terrorists.

  • Sebas Devoto
    Sebas Devoto 6 months ago

    Algorithms are literally created because people are lazy... Just that. Making everything automatic and trying to take every analogic part of the system regarding lives is just dangerous.

  • RTFirefly
    RTFirefly 6 months ago

    How about you dont commit crimes if you cant afford the consequences?

  • YellowGiraffeGal
    YellowGiraffeGal 6 months ago

    Please give me some perspective: should we feel sorry for the 18-year-old, that helped robbed a bank? "you look guilty if you walk out in an orange jumpsuit". Because you are guilty, babe.

  • whateverlikehell
    whateverlikehell 6 months ago

    Of course algorithms work - they're based on data and ethics, they're not just based on some old white mans preconceived notions on what a criminal is. It is deranged to think that any county has the funding or trust to just let people go if they claim to be sorry and flutter their eyelids, it just doesn't work like that, I've worked with risk algorithms all of my adult life

  • demitri dasilva
    demitri dasilva 6 months ago

    this IS absolutely disgusting capitalist Americans are greedy and this is why this system is in place. Money is the root of all evil... smh

  • Dana Gray
    Dana Gray 6 months ago

    So I have some SERIOUS problems with your journalist's reasoning in this. My first issue, and probably the biggest, is that he chose an example of someone who got a much better shake out of the system than she deserved. She's not some innocent who got caught up in a bad system. She's a criminal who got off with a slap on the wrist for assisting in a robbery. Her being the getaway driver doesn't make her less culpable for the crime. On that note, the journalist says she did what any teen with the freedom of a new car would do, then went on to describe her assisting her friend with a robbery. In case you were unaware, most teens don't drive getaway cars for their friends, no matter what part of town they grew up in. That''s not normal, nor is it an honest mistake. I'm sure there are plenty of better examples of people who actually had to deal with this system while being innocent of the crime they committed. This lady unapologetically admitted that she drove the getaway car for the robbery.
    The next problem is that the girl was complaining that because she's black, she'd be worse off by the new system in spite of the fact that the new system doesn't take race into account. It was pretty clear that if she wasn't set free, it would have been because she committed a robbery(And yes, being the getaway driver means you actually committed the crime, because you were an integral part of the crime as a whole). She gripes about how the new system is racist, but that requires some serious mental gymnastics. It's racist because black people commit more violent crime and are therefor more likely to not get bond? But that doesn't matter because she thinks the old system is bad as well. Apparently she thinks we need to just let criminals loose until their trial date?
    As for bail bondsmen, I fail to see how they're supposed to be bad. They are a win win for the system. You can pay a fraction of your bond and get out of jail. If you go to court like you're supposed to, you won't have to worry about Bounty Hunters. As for the problem with not having a home, so you can't get mail for your court date, but are you really trying to tell me you can't afford a PO Box? If you can come up with $1000 to post bail, you can come up with the $20 you need for a PO Box.
    Can you tell this frustrated me? It frustrated me... A lot. A bunch of whining and complaining that the world isn't perfect, then complaining that the solution to the problem is racist because after all, how could you expect black people not to commit crimes? So yeah. You set out to inform me, but you only pissed me off with this nonsense!

  • Improv.com.
    Improv.com. 6 months ago

    The bail system is literally what they do at Aldi to make sure you give the cart back. Just instead of the cart it is your self and you lose thousands of dollars not a quarter

  • kasa
    kasa 6 months ago

    6 years? Wtf. Was it some armed robbery?

  • #SeaD #SeaDPhotography
    #SeaD #SeaDPhotography 6 months ago

    Love this format. Great story. Thank you

  • Jee M
    Jee M 6 months ago

    Poor quality piece with heavy bias.

  • WhyteLis21
    WhyteLis21 6 months ago

    Once again, it all comes down to one thing in this world we call freedom in built upon.....Money. Almost everything else is second.

  • Teresa hikes
    Teresa hikes 6 months ago

    provide a free home to a perpetrator of domestic violence, doesn't prevent them from going back to the family home and doing more violence.

  • Oh My Good Goth
    Oh My Good Goth 6 months ago

    They "almost always release none offenders", I really don't care if violent criminals are kept in jail unless they pay. Don't do crime if you cant face the fucking consequences.

  • Yuri Karpov Lang-ayan
    Yuri Karpov Lang-ayan 6 months ago

    Wait, there's a for profit bail system here in the Philippines? That's a surprise for me

  • Thuy Taylor - Subscribe For X-X-X

    Oh no, a whole 8000 jobs lost in an immoral & corrupt system? I think I'm more concerned about truck drivers in the midwest than I am about Californian bounty hunters.
    The American prison system IN GENERAL should absolutely not be for profit. It's absurd.
    Well, Frank, looks like it's time for the current system. . .
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    to bail.

  • tpamel
    tpamel 6 months ago +1

    The DC Youth Rehabilitation Act basically slapped violent criminals on the wrist and set them free to revictimize communities. DC should not be used as an example of criminal justice reform - violent offenders mostly repeated and escalated their crimes because they knew they faced no consequences. That act serves to coddle adults and treat them like juvenile offenders.
    An example wapo.st/2OrmAQZ

  • Jojo Kujo
    Jojo Kujo 6 months ago

    We need a president who can fix this

  • jay Price II
    jay Price II 6 months ago +1

    While I am thankful I have never been in trouble or needed a bail bond. I do understand the current need for them but also why they want the industry changed. I think there needs to be change on both sides and we all can agree the prison system it’s self needs reform. However with regards to the girl at the end. That says we should take people with a domestic violence charge and give them room and board while they wait for court. To hell with that. Lock them up. As someone that saw it as a child and had friends that have had it bad. All you do with letting them out is give them a chance to go home and do more damage.

  • cetriya's Art n Comics Channel

    when most americans don't even have 500$ saved for simple emergencies, how are they going to pay 50k for bail when not even convicted???

  • Last Steak
    Last Steak 6 months ago

    A board huh, not bias huh... yeah black, brown, and poor people are are going to jail.

  • Like A Crouton
    Like A Crouton 6 months ago

    I mean, if you really want to make sure people go to court and want to charge them something, charge them to rent a damn ankle bracelet or tracker that goes off if they leave the state or take it off without permission. What a farce. People who haven't been convicted, especially for misdemeanors and non-violent crimes, shouldn't be treated like they've been convicted.

  • Andrea Bowers
    Andrea Bowers 6 months ago

    Not all places have bail bondsman and a lot of people are stuck in jail without a set bond. Our system is so screwed up. It truly is guilty until proven innocence regardless of what happened. And the prosecutors hate to drop charges unless they get money out of it.

  • Liquid Candy
    Liquid Candy 6 months ago +4

    But Blockbuster and Kodak weren't put out of business because of the government
    Netflix isn't the government
    Digital Camera makers aren't the government
    Going out of business because you didn't change your business practices to new types of technology IS NOT the same as the government throwing away your business field.
    His comparison to what he's doing versus what happened to Blockbuster and Kodak is asinine.

  • Jack Barrios
    Jack Barrios 6 months ago

    all that matters in this system is money. no one care's who you are, what you do, who depends on you, nothing. my experience so far has been a resounding sense of greed and nothing more. i had the money to post bail, pay my lawyer, pay my probation fees - i had the fortune to have a steady job, reliable transportation, and a support system from family and friends. without any of that, especially the money, my life would be completely different. I'd be in jail right now, waiting for my release in January 2020, which would've started January 2017.

    the bail system is predatory and feeds on the misfortune of the disenfranchised, while favoring those who are well off. bail bonds are a necessary evil that people have, do, and will rely on to get out of jail. do away with this corrupt system, there will no longer be a need for them. fuck those 8000 jobs, what about the hundreds of thousands locked up who can't post bail so they lose their jobs, homes, family, everything?

    i don't know the right resolution for this issue. but i'm happy the conversation is being had. fuck bail. and fuck this corrupt criminal justice system we have. it's a monster.

  • CStewart2010
    CStewart2010 6 months ago

    Have to say I love these deep dives

  • Grouchy Puff
    Grouchy Puff 6 months ago

    We've seen how well algorithms work on RU-clip...

  • Senator Stern But Fair
    Senator Stern But Fair 6 months ago

    robbers shouldn't be roaming the streets! don;t break laws and you won't have to worry about jail or bail, ITS NOT HARD

  • pimpon theline
    pimpon theline 6 months ago

    2:45 "For many there's only 1 reason they are sitting behind bars, they cant afford bail." What? How about the other reason, like being arrested and charged for a crime? Maybe that's a bigger contributing factor to sitting in jail?

  • Carey Roberts
    Carey Roberts 6 months ago

    A Bail Bondsman talking about protecting constitutional rights is pretty obscene.. the US Constitution, if I recall correctly, has some lines in the 8th Amendment about treating every human being equally when facing justice. It says they have right to bail as does my country's equivalent, but in my country they tend to base it on severity and income, so rich people pay an amount that reflects as a heavy a price tag as it would be to poor person. Even if the amounts are not the same.. they feel the same pressure at the idea of losing it.

  • Allison Corona
    Allison Corona 6 months ago

    5 Judges? The should have 7 on the first 2-4 years. The system is new, its fresh and it hasn't learned yet. If the system is to adapt its going to make mistakes, and people need to be there to review that case immediately and have a hearing scheduled. Have the 7 judges hear and review your case and continue from there. The 7 judges should be diverse and represent the major Ethnic Groups of Los Angeles AND California. Yo I'll Even name them right now: White: 41.3%, Non-Hispanic Whites: 29.4%, Hispanic or Latino (of any race): 47.5%, Black or African American: 9.8%, Native American: 0.5%, Asian: 10.7%, Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander: 0.2%.

  • Allison Corona
    Allison Corona 6 months ago

    7:05 YO IVETTE PREACH SISTER! This is literally nothing BUT the truth! You literally CANNOT walk your dog around in Compton without HOUNDING you asking what you selling. Yeah Celebs and Rich people have the money for bail, but when they use your skin color and zip code; OOF

  • Horhe Vamp
    Horhe Vamp 6 months ago

    The moment you said 'The Bail Industry fought back' is when you should have stopped the video. You have an industry... for bails. Done.

  • Alice Deathbelle
    Alice Deathbelle 6 months ago +1

    If you don't want to pay bail, then don't commit a crime. It's that easy

  • Max Power
    Max Power 6 months ago +1

    That algorithm doesn't just affect minorities unfairly it also affects Men unfairly too. Nice of them to leave that out.

  • Mark
    Mark 6 months ago

    Because police patrol high crime rate areas and because black people live in those areas, police are being racist. Fantastic logic.

  • GangstaRivaDance
    GangstaRivaDance 6 months ago +1

    Alright this first lady's story they use. They introduced it as though she had no idea what crime her friend was committing, but when she starts talking, she clearly knew. Come on.

  • Yazz
    Yazz 6 months ago

    I dont understand why the US is trying to solve problems the rest of the world already has. Is it the “leader of the world” mentality. I dont get it.

  • I don't even know.
    I don't even know. 6 months ago

    Despite the video being framed against the bail the only person coherently discussing the \intention\ of the bail system was Bob Hertzberg. The two people with firsthand experience missed the point completely -- the last girl at the end did mention the adverse effects of bail being that she didn't get her father's (domenstic abuser's) money while he was in jail, wtf?