We need to stand together! DMCA and Copyright Abuse!

  • Published on Feb 14, 2019
  • Bitwit was the victim of a baseless Copyright Strike... let's talk about how this happens and who issued it...
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  • Nyr1k
    Nyr1k 8 days ago

    That’s what I like about my home Germany: they need to proof that I am guilty and not the other way around. I think it should always be like that.

  • Dr. Etzor
    Dr. Etzor 13 days ago +1

    So basically Verge put a strike on two reputable, big channels and then pulled themselves out of it by taking down the claims.
    The actual reason why they did that was because they'd get fucked completely in court and have to pay probably hundreds of thousands or even millions after losing, and they knew this, they had no ground to stand on and they didn't want to lose their shirts.

  • Jason
    Jason 14 days ago +1

    The Verge and Vox are a bad stain that you can't get rid of on the internet.

  • Jose Solis
    Jose Solis 14 days ago

    Vox 😒

  • Dahrk Wolfwood
    Dahrk Wolfwood 18 days ago

    I honestly had forgotten about this till today. Just wow bro.

  • James Roggy
    James Roggy 24 days ago

    "Linus even" LOL hes fun lay of the guy you big bully hes haft ya size litterly

  • lebarosky
    lebarosky Month ago

    You guys need to get together and lawyer up. I am surprised that no intellectual property lawyers familiar with this are contacting you to lend some aid. Good luck from a disabled attorney.

  • Michael Keith
    Michael Keith Month ago

    The Vox and the Verge are pussies. The Vox especially is one sided politically which translates very openly in their choices.

  • Lift Pizzas
    Lift Pizzas 2 months ago

    Stand together how?

  • 5pointrekt
    5pointrekt 2 months ago

    This explains why they are all Verge-ins

  • Joppi1992
    Joppi1992 2 months ago

    RU-clip's internal copyright system is not a legal procedure. What goes through legal channels is a legal procedure, but that does not include RU-clip and its internal systems.
    Only DMCA is a legal act in this context which can be countered in a court, but the other options against copyright infringement that copyright holders are offered in RU-clip's systems are handled internally by RU-clip without any legal input nor weight, so you can look up if demonetization and such without court involvement can be countered with a lawsuit against RU-clip, since they're the ones making such decisions on their own.
    It's possible for them to be protected against such actions in the contract you sign to be able to monetize your channel though, so it all depends on the contract. For example, if they don't specifically outline that you're being explicitly paid for your content on RU-clip, and that the monetization is just a "feature" which falls under their control, then you're kinda screwed.
    This is why unions are formed in the world. To protect against shenanigans such as this.

  • kbbbb7
    kbbbb7 2 months ago

    I don't think you'd be classified as an "influencer". There's a huge difference between New Media and Influencers IMHO. Influencers aren't famous for useful content generation, more (to me at least) the brainless instagram accounts with loads of pics of a malnourished woman doing duck lips in bikinis generally promoting whatever garbage throws them money without any critique, and have never proven themselves capible of generating intelligent content with any level of dissemination.

    Also, I could see Y0uTub3 being sued by creators at some point for damaging their businesses. I couldn't guess any further what that suit would involve, as I'm not familiar enough with US Law. I have no doubt there's likely a legal action that would hurt Y0uTub3 and potentially a class action there.

    I don't understand that there is a 'freedom of speech' on the internet. The 'law of the internet' is more driven by different large regulatory bodies - US law, but also EU Law. That is why EU Article 13 is such a big deal.

  • Hugh Jass
    Hugh Jass 3 months ago

    A guy on RU-clip: *Plays PC build sim in a video before Verge's video existed*
    Verge: RACIST!

  • Divinity Ryder
    Divinity Ryder 3 months ago

    I remember when the Verge was formed. Nilay always struck me as a stuck up asshole for some reason. This just adds to it.
    I'm surprised people still go there. This whole thing should have highlighted how hilariously out of touch they are.

  • PhatPharmacist
    PhatPharmacist 3 months ago

    I had a bogus copyright claim,
    Claimed by: Stem Disintermedia Inc. and have no idea who they are and I was using a copyright free music track

  • Bob Kuzyk
    Bob Kuzyk 3 months ago

    The truth is most of us couldn't care less about issues that affect your cash cow! We watch for entertainment and a little insight.

  • Brendan Hansen
    Brendan Hansen 4 months ago

    Okay, yeah sure. I agree that it is important to be aware, the world is screwed in more ways than one. Considering it is getting out of hand.... Might I suggest you advertise to your viewers what we SHOULD do about it? At the end of the video, you said you were still going to be sticking around and more likely than (paraphrasing here) take it like a man and keep going. These companies are literally robbing your livelihood and thousands if not MILLIONS of other peoples income as well.
    If I may be so humble to propose the idea, band together with a group of influential youtubers and get something done about this! A lot of people brainstorming and working together on weekends could get a lot accomplished if nothing else there is power in numbers...
    I understand if you don't end up reading this comment or, simply don't want to pursue the matter beyond reason but, there are a lot of other smaller and weaker youtube presences who would love an advocate such as yourself. Hang in there, and whatever you decide I wish you the best of luck. (as a note this is a bit of a cookie cutter post so that it can reach more people, I intend to send this thought to multiple channels. Let me know what you think if you are up for it.)

  • Jeff Suttles
    Jeff Suttles 4 months ago

    Where is RU-clip's competition? Where are our alternatives for equally monetizable American video-sharing websites?

  • blorfus blorfus
    blorfus blorfus 4 months ago

    Kidding? There needs to be a rule integrated where the individual who is striking a video needs to provide his full name and address to ensure that that person is accountable for his/her actions.

  • George T
    George T 4 months ago

    All RU-cliprs make your own legal partnership company that will punish DMCA trolls.

  • Turbo Cayman
    Turbo Cayman 4 months ago +1

    OK, let's get back to flashing bios updates in Nvidia cards.

  • Turbo Cayman
    Turbo Cayman 4 months ago

    More Drama!; More Drama!; More Drama!

  • leafbelly
    leafbelly 4 months ago

    So, journalists all have ulterior motives and political alignments, but RU-cliprs don't? Most journalists work for an hourly rate/salary and are not motivated by "clicks" and "likes." The companies they work for may have motives/alignments, but most journalists just have a job to do and are trying to do their best. This is what happens when journalists are called "the enemy." Of course there are bad apples, but Jay, disparaging hard-working journalists doesn't help.

  • Jeevus Chrust
    Jeevus Chrust 4 months ago

    Honestly the only thing that changes shit like this, in my opinion anyway, is a legitimate viable competitor to RU-clip. The way it is now with them not changing what they do isn't because of incompetence, fear, or anything like that, it's because they know they don't have to. They hold a monopoly on video streaming on demand when it comes to the internet and thus, as a result, they don't have to adapt. They know that people will continue to eat the shit sandwich because it's the only game in town.
    If there was a competitor that pushed them to be better then maybe it would change. If they lost content creators and revenue as a result they, like any other company, would notice simply because it affects the only thing they care about which is their own bottom line. If a lot of that could be attributed to them not handling DMCA notices correctly then I guarantee you they'd change. There would be sweeping changes and shifts in how they handle this stuff. But for now that won't change. They know that the content creators need them a lot more than they need the content creators. If one left, like yourself, they know that someone else would eventually fill that void. The only way this changes is if, en masse, there's an exodus. Which won't happen because everybody would eat it financially and the holdouts would prop them up just enough for it to be fine.
    It sucks. I don't make content but I do know the law. The fact that companies like Vox or whatever can do this, without repercussion, is disgusting. And the thing is even if the DMCA is flawed my fear is that if it gets revised the end result might actually be worse for content creators and better for the content holders. We need to remember that the DMCA was formed in 1998, far before we had the piracy we have now, RU-clip, and the whole can of worms that exists that is the intertubes. If it gets reworked by corrupt beureaucrats that are in the pockets of lobbyists like the RIAA, MPAA, or ESA I have no doubt in my mind that it will favor them over the little guy.
    So, truth be told, we're kinda fucked.

  • Lucas Osco
    Lucas Osco 4 months ago

    I really wish we had an RU-clip alternative. I mean, a real one.

  • Edward James Scott Kenway

    I so proud of our tech community. We stand together in crisis #justiceforkyle

  • kane van boxtel
    kane van boxtel 4 months ago

    Can anyone just put a strike on the verge.

  • Beba 2
    Beba 2 4 months ago

    Well guys, how you yanks see copyright is totally different then how rest of the world sees it. And that is main issue, that you try to enforce your view to the rest of the world.
    Doesn't work, thank God. In most cases.

  • golong 1
    golong 1 4 months ago

    If the complainant is big, youtube would happily comply. But if it is mere youtuber, youtube would cover their ears.

  • David Di Franco
    David Di Franco 4 months ago

    Great video! Very well explained.

  • Ralf F
    Ralf F 4 months ago

    You're a great guy #saveyourinternet #censorshipmachine #artikel13

  • Jimmy The Powerful ! FU

    Jay is a true MAGA!

  • J ay
    J ay 4 months ago

    Welcome to verrge, another buzz feed moment.

  • Alex
    Alex 4 months ago


  • Jose Lemus
    Jose Lemus 4 months ago

    Why dont content creators just start striking back with claims against the verge and other abusers. push the system to the limits.

  • Aaron
    Aaron 4 months ago +1

    “They’re abusing power that does not exist” I like that.

  • Heldermaior
    Heldermaior 4 months ago

    Why the fuck are you hating on journalists? I mean, everyone hates bad reporters but these blanket statements is not helpful. It just spreads more conspiracy theories and attacks a class who needs protecting from their own editors.

  • ScooterFXRS
    ScooterFXRS 4 months ago

    Vox Media 🔔 Shame 🔔 Shame 🔔 Shame 🔔 Shame 🔔 Shame 🔔 Shame 🔔 Shame 🔔 Shame 🔔 Shame 🔔

  • m
    m 4 months ago

    This constantly happens to those who are right of the far left wing on
    RU-clip. Will you support other creators in this battle? Latest example
    with Steven Crowder ru-clip.com/video/PWWeeGLyOWA/video.html

  • Bjarnes
    Bjarnes 4 months ago

    Lyle only reacted on the errors in the video. Think he's home safe.

  • VendettaRev
    VendettaRev 4 months ago

    they put the manpower to check every channel if it's eligible for monetization but no manpower for strikes and claims?

  • Francisco Marin
    Francisco Marin 4 months ago

    That sucks youtube!....and youtube trying endlessly to get me to upgrade to red.

  • sasuke671
    sasuke671 4 months ago

    What does he mean by "Linus even!"

  • redxsage
    redxsage 4 months ago

    I think I Subscribed to *The Verge* about five years ago. They did a pretty good road trip video for the Tesla Model S back then. I don't remember any of their stuff I have watched since then. I think it's time to Unsubscribe now...

  • Carlos Mendes
    Carlos Mendes 4 months ago

    At this time, 334 verge guys watched this video.

  • Akshat Gandhi
    Akshat Gandhi 4 months ago

    One solution can be to imply the same restrictions on the claiming channel if the claim is found false. Preferably worse to make it so that people thing twice but that might be somewhat farfetched.

  • Mike Soda
    Mike Soda 4 months ago

    I barely ever visited the verge & always used an adblocker & noscript. Well now I'll strictly avoid them like I do malware prone sites. Even if in the distant future they claim to change & possibly do & become a good company. Too late, once you do some shit like this I don't forget or forgive. Just think too, this wasn't even done to me, imagine how I'd respond if it was lol.


    The lyle video was hilarious... He doesn't deserve this bs.. The verge can suckuh my wang

  • Axctal
    Axctal 4 months ago

    Sue verge for purgery?

  • Dude Outdoors
    Dude Outdoors 5 months ago

    I hope none of this effects my tiny channel! 😕

  • Tomás Morgado
    Tomás Morgado 5 months ago

    Like, very good v video edition. Done. Thank you my friend

  • NoThisIsPratickStar
    NoThisIsPratickStar 5 months ago

    4chan style raids on Vox, Buzzfeed, and Verge sites and YT channels?

  • JosephK42
    JosephK42 5 months ago

    Sounds like a new platform that defends against abuse of dmca needs to happen.

  • number 12
    number 12 5 months ago

    Verge striking people *who knew*

  • mywereldza
    mywereldza 5 months ago

    Why should we stand together now? When Jörg Sprave started a RU-cliprs Union nobody with significant viewer count wanted to join, so why do something now? He saw this coming, a seriously broken RU-clip platform, an no one took him seriously.
    Join Jörg's RU-cliprs union, have a discussion with him and take it further from there.

  • DriftTwo
    DriftTwo 5 months ago

    The most damaging was what the Vox / Verge has inflicted upon themselves. They way they handle the situation, I think just discredits their reputation and creditability. They will loose some of their followers because of this.

  • Luka Šoštarić
    Luka Šoštarić 5 months ago

    Nice overview and explanation.

  • trawel Grad
    trawel Grad 5 months ago

    7:15 How about going against YT if they don't do their jobs? Maybe you YTers should stand together and go help him go to curt against YT for a compensation. So you all can clear that out and have somthing to refer if he realy happens to win.

  • Badhon Ebrahim
    Badhon Ebrahim 5 months ago


  • Nathan Gehman
    Nathan Gehman 5 months ago +21

    Should we all just copyright strike the Verge?

    • Hugh Jass
      Hugh Jass 3 months ago

      No! I want to see Verge battle Buzzfeed Try Guys at building a worse PC

  • J.M. Clark
    J.M. Clark 5 months ago

    I ain't touching this one; white on black crime gets no play in the blue torpedo bro.

  • Captain Ofiheart
    Captain Ofiheart 5 months ago

    It's better to destroy the DMCA and copyright laws

  • Nathan Chisholm
    Nathan Chisholm 5 months ago

    Welcome today's soft generation! Absolutely pathetic.I loved growing up in the 80s and 90s when ppl still had balls and didn't get all bent out off shape if someone said something that in today's world would be regarded as "hurtful" Grow some balls.....

  • Michael Leahy
    Michael Leahy 5 months ago

    yes so right about that

  • streamdungeon
    streamdungeon 5 months ago

    I found out I had a sub on The Verge. Not anymore.

  • HiltownJoe
    HiltownJoe 5 months ago

    When it comes to DMCA takedown notices Google is rightfully scared. Not because some advertiser crab but because of liability. They are legally required to take videos down, and when they don't they loose their protection under the DMCA Safe Harbour and could be sued by the copyright holder costing them a crapload of money. So whenever RU-clip says we do not take down videos and issue strikes they open themselves for legal action if their assessment was wrong or even just slightly questionable. If they just follow protocol and do nothing against the DMCA abuse they are safe. The fault here is not evil youtube but the DMCA that is layed out in a way that it really disicentivises platforms to make asessments about the validity of claims.

  • Edward Ratliff
    Edward Ratliff 5 months ago

    Is this what Linus was talking about in his video about drama? I had no idea what he was talking about.

  • neji hiashi
    neji hiashi 5 months ago

    where is kyle channel so i can subscribe to him?

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      AL1V3 4 months ago


  • JesseJhon Andrews
    JesseJhon Andrews 5 months ago

    you lied you said no editing and you edited the video

  • Dan Vitale
    Dan Vitale 5 months ago

    FYI Kyle got his Copyright Strike revoked. He's back up and running.

  • Alpejohn
    Alpejohn 5 months ago

    Well, im done with The Verge, i used to watch mobile reviews from them, but they are dead to me now.
    I thought they where a serious thing.. But i was wrong.

  • Dirga Herdian
    Dirga Herdian 5 months ago

    kill it!!

  • Ian
    Ian 5 months ago

    Two things stand out to me watching this unfold
    First, it truly spotlights the folly of many people who put their faith in private entities (companies, corporations, private businesses, whatever)over government, believing business will protect personal rights. They will not. They do not. They are not accountable to you, you are not their constituency. Hopefully RU-clip indifference towards creators will drive that home.
    Second, agreeing with detractors and proudly proclaiming that you aren’t a journalist isn’t just stupid, it’s dangerous. It’s participating in the destruction of your rights and privileges, the very freedoms of speech you are trying to protect. Limiting what defines someone as being a journalist and thus who is protected is the work of authoritarians, and neither your accusers nor you should allow reductions on what constitutes journalism.

  • roth66ro
    roth66ro 5 months ago +1

    Problem with youtube is that it's a company made for other companies. And it's very afraid of what other companies say about RU-clip, and it's not afraid AT ALL about what people (the user base) think; because the users are just sheeple which are supposed to watch whatever bullshit the corporations are posting. The opinion of the people DOES NOT MATTER. Why? because RU-clip is a monopoly, there is no alternative - so we should sit quietly and wait for the next informative video from Verge or VICE. I've been barking in vain saying that creating Information Monopolies - like Google and RU-clip it's a very bad thing. But people like to congregate, they like using the same product as their peers, because of fear of being left behind. So in the end I don't think it's RU-clip's fault, but their users being too lazy to look for or to create alternatives.

    • Cata Lina
      Cata Lina 5 months ago

      You are so wright man! Let's find alternatives, let's not congregate like sheeps around big companies like youtube, google or facebook.

  • Derek D
    Derek D 5 months ago

    Kyle needs to lawyer up dude, period.

  • BrownEyesToxicDragon
    BrownEyesToxicDragon 5 months ago

    Domestically no, only Americans have free speech. And even then, it doesn't excuse what those Verge losers did.

  • Aurjay
    Aurjay 5 months ago

    HOLY FUCK TECH CHANNELS! ALL of you assholes need to stop with the drama bullshit. You let drama queens do the drama shows, like Rich from ReviewTechUSA who does NOTHING on Tech. I am looking for a new tech channel as I unsubbed from all of the ones I did follow because every single fucking one of them started in with drama stuff, and not just this damn copyright strike issue bullshit. STICK TO TECH!

  • Roger L. Ortiz
    Roger L. Ortiz 5 months ago

    It is happening! A childish cyberwar !

  • Mustafa Adeel
    Mustafa Adeel 5 months ago

    This was just a frivilous move as now as a company they are gonna have to again face criticism for copyright triking Kyle and are gonna be regarded negatively

  • b888
    b888 5 months ago

    h3h3 is a racist asshat. Can't compare Kyle, even Lyle to that toxic hypocritical snake, lost all respect to that guy.

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    b888 5 months ago


  • Sean C.
    Sean C. 5 months ago

    Haha! The Verge guy that looks like Steve Urkel and built the shit gaming PC'S name was Stephan?
    Wasn't _Stephan_ Steve Urkel's pimp daddy alter ego?

  • Alan Burns
    Alan Burns 5 months ago

    I thought the strike was dropped?

  • DesignIt
    DesignIt 5 months ago

    I'm glad to see you're on good terms with Linus.

  • EvilKabuki
    EvilKabuki 5 months ago

    You mentioned you have given strikes before. One would think people in positions like yours would welcome reaction videos or whatever gets videos strikes.a differing point of view often leads to new things going discovered.

  • roman2011
    roman2011 5 months ago

    I dont get it. Why then just strike verge videos if there’s no repercussion?

  • Bmac08
    Bmac08 5 months ago

    Let’s all go give the verge strikes!! 😂😂

  • Bmac08
    Bmac08 5 months ago

    Screw the verge they are nothing but a bunch of fools

  • moral panic
    moral panic 5 months ago

    The verge has suxd for a long time stopped listening to that bilge years ago

  • klystron2010
    klystron2010 5 months ago

    Jayz isn't a journalist because he knows how to code.

  • lexzbuddy
    lexzbuddy 5 months ago

    I'm curious, how do people claim something? Why can't you just claim it yourself the day you release it, wouldn't that work? Excuse my ignorance, I don't understand any of this.

  • Dario D'Aversa
    Dario D'Aversa 5 months ago

    Amen for this video. 100% accurate. The Verge is nothing more than a shitty spam site that will trade their soul for a dime. This is what’s going on, nothing more, nothing less.

  • Dylan Richards
    Dylan Richards 5 months ago

    The Verge can go to hell.

  • Uzias Lara
    Uzias Lara 5 months ago

    Did they think that claim would go well? Even if they "won," the community would grill them for it.

  • TheFamilyDogs
    TheFamilyDogs 5 months ago

    Has anybody thought to extend their lawsuit to RU-clip to end this broken system?

  • Dobermanator
    Dobermanator 5 months ago

    I wonder if this video will get taken down?

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  • Dwarf19864
    Dwarf19864 5 months ago

    Our lord and saviour PewDiePie could easily change this... If he just asked hes 80 million 9'y old's to randomly copystrike 2 videos per day... that would be 160 million videos on monday, 320 million on tuesday, 480 million on wednesday, 640 million on thursday, 800 million on friday... aaand i think youtube would shutdown the whole copyright strike thing before week end :)

  • nauxsi
    nauxsi 5 months ago

    This is the problem with automated digital platforms. There is no human interaction. By the time a person gets assigned it, it can many weeks/months later. Content creators are the guys/gals who make the platform what it is. At some point RU-clip will be cemented and tell you all to go take a hike. It's time to diversify.
    I get the whole copyright thing, there are some people who steal other peoples videos and upload them under their own accounts. Which isn't right.

  • Kris Wingert
    Kris Wingert 5 months ago

    I get claims for 3 seconds of music that you can barely even here and were at a public event where I was recording at. I know others that use entire songs, at full volume, and they never get the claim. I even have my channel labeled as educational.