LGBTQ+ and Polyamory in Animals: Yes, It's Natural | Antonia Forster | TEDxBristol
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- Опубликовано: 19 дек 2017
- "When I came out of the closet I was blackmailed, threatened, even bribed. But of all the shocking words that were said to me, three stood out in particular - 'It's not natural'."
The idea that certain behaviour is "unnatural" is often used to justify bigotry, especially against people who are LGBT, polyamorous, or in any way non-traditional. But is it true?
Antonia Forster is a bisexual, non-monogamous biologist that wants to set the record straight. What does "natural" mean? Can animals be gay? Are there always two sexes? Prepare to see the animal kingdom as you've never seen it before...
Antonia Forster is a science presenter, comedian, and rapper.
Antonia believes communicating science should be fun as well as facty. So stay tuned right to the end for her rap about the diverse sexual practices of the animal kingdom!
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Antonia Forster is a science presenter, comedian, and rapper. She has performed at Wilderness Festival, Kew Gardens, the Grant Museum of Zoology; featured on BBC Radio.
She performs in the Talent Factory, a Wellcome-funded group of diverse science communicators. She also lectures at science museums, zoos, schools and universities around the world; teaching scientists how to engage with the public. This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at www.ted.com/tedx
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10:46 that joke 😂😂😂
insects are a PERFECT analogy for humans... someone give this incredible woman a Nobel Peace Prize!
this was great!!!! id love to reeincarnate into one of those lizards
Don't listen to green haired freaks. There's your free TED talk lesson. I just made you smarter. You're welcome.
LOL!
I have no issue with LB...whatever, but she's using disingenuous arguments to prove her point.
Also: male ducks have 5' corkscrew cocks and are serial rapists.
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The universe is a natural event therefore everything that happens with it is natural.
She had me at phallic 🦄... I'm in love 😍😍😍
meh...
I do agree with and sympathize with her on several points, won't explain them now. But one or maybe two, I want to reply to.
She said she didn't think marriage was 'natural.' . . as in not naturally occurring...?!
Maybe that is true and probably one more thing I'll concur with her on. For the act of marriage, no, it may not be 'natural' in and of itself. It's a choice (a pact) made through the act of monogamy with the underlying meaning of loyalty to the individual one enters the pact with. And to make the point about loyalty, in whichever way phrased, it has almost always been and mostly remains highlighted during the marriage vows even to this day. No, animals (the four-legged ones) can never understand monogamy because they are instinctive creatures. Animals don't reason over what other creature (of like species and type) they mate with, whether the other mate has flaws, conditions, diseases, etc, or not. They just approach each other and proceed in performing the ritual. There certainly may be serious issues to consider so if the recipient doesn't protest then commencement begins. Where the quality of life is concerned, there is no comparison between humans and animals. We are simply the top feeders, keepers of the castle, as it is.
I also understand her concern about LGBT issues, especially ones over safety. It is preposterous to hear about gays or transgenders being murdered just because. That surely has to stop and pronto. And it is more than just disturbing to hear of family members shunning loved ones and being obstinate over their lifestyle choices. No, it's not murder or physical harm but the emotional well-being of the person concerned is just as important. Love and compassion should always be available to this group of people certainly by their family. However, there are going to be many who do not agree with these lifestyle choices and it will be voiced at one time or another. I just say do it with the aforementioned, love and compassion. Both sides have to respect the decisions of the other with wisdom and understanding in order for civility can be maintained.
Wow that was awesome 😎 THAT WAS AWESOME 👏🏻.
This is one of the most interesting and easily the most well delivered TED talk ive seen thus far. I hope her family who initially doubted her see this and are able to open their minds a bit more. They should be proud.
YOU BETTER TEACH
Possibly the best thing I've ever seen :D
Well, who really cares.
Love the rap, I hope she releases an album
Very Fascinating!
stop kinkshaming hashtag vore is natural
Wtf 😂
Amazing speech!!
awkward audience is awkward... i think this talk was great and i loved it
The rap was best!!!
yay!!!! I love it! yes nature is more diverse and far more complicatedly constructed than most things we humans can think up...
Yassss girl popped off
Two words: Mind blown. This talk was amazing
The only thing not natural about her is her hair.
What a world a male bee had!
This is my favorite video on the internet
... I enjoy the biology lesson though
This is such an awesome talk. Thank you so much!
THAT RAP IS MY LIFE
Hahahahaaa!
Look at this Q U E E N
People tend to point out animals who stay together for raising kids, like penguins or some other birds to argue her points. But all this just adds to the diversity of life out there....Some animals stay together for life, some don't. You have all kinds of species out there. I know birds that make nests for their babies and together they take care of their babies and together they stay. But I also know birds who makes eggs "out-of-wedlock" and then "drop" them off in secret in somebody else's nest (just like a spy) and that's how they survive and procreate. Both birds are natural! Both birds evolved on this earth. And that only proves that natural can be ANYTHING. We, humans, cannot decide for nature what natural can or cannot be. We can only observe, study, and wonder at the beauty of diversity of it all. Also, the whole idea of natural as being good vs unnatural as being bad is flawed, I agree with that 100%! There are so many unnatural things that I approve of and do myself: like brushing my teeth is extremely unnatural, but I do that and most people approve of that! Going to a doctor and getting vaccines is extremely unnatural, so is using condoms for birth control! Washing hands with soap and taking a shower with sanitized water is way too unnatural! It is a whole lot more natural to live like a homeless man because a homeless human being does not brush his teeth everyday nor take shower nor grooms his/her hair. A homeless is closer to being natural for sure, but nobody aspires to be like that...! Also, it is so natural to fart out loud , but we tend not to do that in front of other people. It is so natural to poop in the spot right where you are at the moment, but we hold it until we get to the bathroom and no animal does this - how natural is that???? SO true ....so true....
I celebrate being honest, being authentic, being yourself, being sincere - that is the only way to be happy and that's the only way to be natural(real)! And I see all that applies to you! Bravo!
I agree, very comfortable in her own skin...maybe these negative comments come from jealousy of that.
mental disorder ...
What's happening at 13:33...?
Wonderful talk, equality and love for all
I would like to add spanish subtitle to this. how can i do it?
Well... diseases and mental disorders are also just as natural amongst animals as it is on humans... just saying...
The rap was awesome! And she's such a great speaker too!
Goddam sicophants need to be beaten and left bleeding in their safe spaces
I'm amazed when people use wildlife to normalize their actions. I'm also a biologist. Her passions and desires will always be the outliers, never the norm. Build a hut with sticks on sand, it can easily fall down. Build a house with a foundation on rock, it won't easily fall down even during storms. There's no need to be rude or hate anyone, that doesn't mean that we all have to live in lala land.
Homosexuality is as natural as her hair color.
The only things that are binary are yes and no questions and binary code.
Dem Had Ok?
This comment with this name has me confused 🤪
Cringey af...
Loved this
Why do these freaks insist on having green and blue hair?
It's not easy to take somebody with green hair seriously
thanks, and yes, I shared it.
ITS
NOT
NATURAL
Your reply makes no sense at all, if you are going to construct some sort of defence for there being no God, then please attend to this minimum detail
hey! dude! I don’t even want to argue with you. God dosn’t exist. If God existed and he hated homosexuals, homosexuals hadn’t existed. And if God existed then YOU WOULDN’T HAVE EXISTED because God only created people with acceptabce in them, and for you, acceptance isn’t a thing.
Antares8491 yes, delighted to, in the beginning God created the Heavens and the earth and man and woman. satan saw Gods Glory and Almighty Power and wanted it for himself. satan accuses God of a certain level of falsity by saying that mankind only worships God because He made them that way, so their worship of God is robotic meaninglessness. God therefore allowed satan to have certain powers over mankind including the ability to deceive mankind and the ability to deceive man to such an extent that he could be led astray to worship all manner of false gods. the only caveat in this agreement is that God has written that all these things shall come to pass and that His Word the Bible contains the a-z of the human condition as well as the a-z of human history beginning to end including God’s Glorious Return to claim His Own for Himself. The Bible would also include. in great detail a description of how satan would do all of these things so that man would have a choice. Follow Gods Word of follow the world with all its false glistening baubles aka worldly wisdom and worldly intelligence. God has also written that upon the biting into the fruit in the Garden, corruption entered the world, so there are imperfections in creation and in humanity and in this ted talk instance , yes there are tragic natural occurences across the species. however, God’s Grace and moral plumbline has always been available throughout. Further, sinful man is now at a point in history where prophecies contained in Gods Word are at the door of being fulfilled and He is returning soon. the woman delivering this alleged intellectual ted talk presentation will stand dumbfounded as the God she mocked fills the skies and she (as with you too and all of us) are deliverd our rightful and just Judgment. What did we do in our lives? and Who did we choose to follow? and knowing in our hearts there was a choice all along. Had this ted talk woman confessed her sins, and accepted that God’s Son Jesus died on the cross in exchange for her sins, and had she received His wonderful forgiveness in that incredible exchange, then she wouldn’t be spouting any of this selfish sinful polyamorous nonsense she’s spouting now. likewise, you too, in asking me that fateful question, you have now been delivered an answer that i pray will change the course of your life. either way, on that Great Day He returns, you will now have no excuse when you too stand before Him awaiting Hid Judgment upon your life. Life is not some random game. you are here for a purpose. God loves you and wants you to turn to Him. i hope that answers your questions
+hey! dude! >> " _In the beginning God created Adam and a helper Eve for him. That is natural_ "
In the beginning God created Adam and a helper Eve for him. That is natural
Incredible information. What is the name of the mushroom?
Lls check her out. She needs a record deal asap. I enjoyed this talk. 👌🏽
lol im so high wtf did i just watch
Just be sure to turn it off before you come back down! lol
The mouth noises :p
natural =/= normal or healthy
Let's play pretend. Can I be the tooth fairy? You are all delusional. And no i don't hate you. That's just the reality of it.
Great talk. I have noticed it’s usually city people who go on about being unnatural. Anyone who has worked with animals knows better.
ew
I had two male dogs that were lovers... They also can say "I don't feel like it tonight, honey."!
The sequel: Pedosexuality and Necrophilia in Animals: Yes, Its Natural
Among animals. Also, your rap is painful.
Love u
But my decision is independent
God bless u sweetheart take care ..Rohit Goswami
That rap at the end was surprisingly entertaining.
its not natural , we are over it.
I will still see you all has people with mental disorders.
Blu Hilaire lol you has much to learn
Green hair. All I need to know. This is scientific horse trot.
Vieze teef
when she said this is natural I’m literally crying. And the rap is so lit!!!
Pretty good up until the end, that was kinda lame
I need lyrics to that rap in my life like right now
haha! she got flow
Lots of bigotry in the comments. It's a shame.
I wish people would just open up their minds and strive to educate themselves on topics they know absolutely nothing about.
As a human being, I feel that it is necessary (an obligation, if you will) for me to try and understand things I have no prior knowledge about or experience with. That's the reason I am here, watching this video right now. It's just irritating when people refuse to enlighten themselves because apparently wisdom is terrifying.
Anyways, this was a beautiful TED Talk and I'm glad I watched it. :)
Two things we can't do....fly or change our gender. No matter how much we use planes or surgery, we can't do it on our own.
The word God is from the Holy Bible king James version red lettered, that no man shall lay down with woman folk and man folk , no woman shall lay down with woman folk or man folk or that no man to a man or a woman to a woman, one man shall be with one wife .if you r a man stay as a man or a woman to stay as a woman .
God never said to be lust but to love so LBGT is a lust which is a big sin wages of sin is death but
God the Father loves us all so much that he gave us his only begotten son LORD JESUS CHRIST to pay the price of death shed blood and water rose up according to the scriptures in Isaiah 53 , God created you prefect in his sight so why change that to became an abomination God didn't want this for u if u give him a chance to forgive u and u believe in what his precious son LORD JESUS CHRIST did for all of us u will get the love u need today,
If God made everyone perfect as you say, that includes LGBT people. So either he's not very good at his job or he intended for people to be this way.
Or we could just be hyper-evolved life forms acting instinctively against a scripture from thousands of years ago that was written when people still thought the world was flat and had no idea that they were preceded by dinosaurs by a few million years. To say their world view was limited is like saying North Korea 'might' be an oppressive dictatorship. Therefore, it's hard to take such a scripture as gospel. Pun intended.
Beautiful!
So animals in zoos are natural???
The animals are, the way they are kept is not.
with a mind like that, it's hard to believe you are single
Its considered more natural to be a bit woman than a bi man.LGBT=four letters...Coming out to a female partner as a bi male=GONE
I'd love to be my partner to be bi as well, but they don't have to be. Don't worry there will be a time when you will find the girl who will love you no matter what.
Where can I get your rap ? TAKE MY MONEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Birbs fly so let's jump of a cliff
Beautifully stated
It is not natural = 4 words...
Cyanide is not natural....homosexuality ok. You don't see a binobo cutting thier dingy off calling themselves non-bianary.
I'm leaving = 2 words
she said " *it's* not natural " the first time tho
Sebastian Gomez-Duranona It is in nature = 4 words
I support the lgbtq!💗💛💙
And the fact that the LGBT + INFINITY
Sorry but feelings are not important when it comes to the truth.
Guillermo Diaz lmao what? Can you just shut you mouth? It’s lgbtq+ whether you like it or not.
LGB...yes. after that....no.
A female with green hair to tell us about whats “natural” lol😂
Culture Bearer
I understood your comment was made to express the irony between her image and her presentation. Was my understanding correct ?
K Wippel
Thats true, its called good taste
Change your user name. Your concept of culture is limited.
Culture Bearer that's her natural hair
You do know that he's trying to trigger a response, right? Don't fall for it.
and what does it mean 7 or 27,000 sexes??? that should be explained
gender expression...skirt n trousers????lol..ok one should look at traditional costumes there have ALWAYs been panths for women n skirts for men So thats not gender expression
gender expression though refers to different ways in which different genders express because of their gender(For ex ..girls like pink ,or dolls.,or long nails and long silky hair)not because of what society told them to do because thats what society thinks it is proper for them to do Thats not genuine gender expression ,is more of a learned behavior which changes easily when society changes
nana delamer That’s dependent on which culture a person comes from, what circles they run in, and their environment. In the business world, it’s not so shocking to see a woman in a pants suit, but a man seen in a skirt, robe, or a dress and suddenly your entire perspective changes on how you speak and interact with them.
many ppl complain abt straight marriages as unatural (beyond a certain length of time ..say..after having raised your children for ex)that " for life" is too much..so thats not true either
swans " get married" ,parrots and other animals
i completely agree with your point. Jealousy and commitment are the keys. this really making me wondering whether a stable N-some where they all love each other romantically exists and whether it is theoretically the best option for polyamorous/gamous person.
yeah good points i totally agree
(however when those partners antagonise for the same kind of love ,jealousy comes naturally One can observe that with his own pets.For example the new young pet that you love as a baby wont antagonise the older one But if this role is already occupied then there will be jealousy
In a human relationship the more evolved n complete it is you then love the other person (in time)as a sibling and a parent and a child and a lover If however there is something missing here you may find another that covers that aspect
The real problem is that the 2nd 3rd etc person ,often sais he s fine but rarely if ever is trully ok.Most times they do it as a compromise(better something than nothing)or for religious reasons (another kind o compromise )or other reasons
To be honest cheating is often more fair and respectfull .In polyamory you take the problem out of your shoulders and place it on the shoulder of those other ppl who have no real benefit out of the ordeal and yet cant complain about it..so i m not that harsh with cheating as i ve heard many pl saying that it would b ok if they wouldnt find out
nana delamer That’s a beautiful thing, for a pair to remain together out of love. The point is that humans and animals have also exhibited falling in love or pairing with more than one partner either separately over the course of their life or more than one partner at a time (not talking about cheating, polyamory is about having more than one partner openly. Perhaps said polyamorous person loves these partners in different ways.)
I just got stage 78 cancer from watching this
That's unnatural.
I would suggest going outside, observing life for yourself, and getting some fresh air.
UniKatie good
i just got cancer from reading your comment
Love this! Such a good speaker
I love this talk 👏👏👏💖💖💖
*we are not animals.*
We worse than animals. We all gonna from our our own mistakes. Animals will take over again when that happens
+slimdudeDJC as a human and supposedly intelligent human, you have access to the internet. How about you do something further than RU-clip to educate yourself? First step: Wikipedia. Type: human. Scientific classification - kingdom: animalia. Class: Mammalia
Just because we were given "intelligence" instead of claws and teeth, doesn't make us better or more than animals. Humans ARE animals. It's not a matter of opinion, it is a scientific fact.
The level of accomplishment in animals relative to humans is next to nil. They cannot nor ever will perceive ideas and bring them to fruition the way we can. When the next scientific advancement materializes, we'll have the information and the wisdom to know (or learn) what we need to do in order to take full advantage of that phase. Animals simply cannot compare, especially when faced with possible extinction.
We are not animals... I guess we are furniture
We are evolved and superior animals.
This is cringey af
Kyr Cookies
I guess I should’ve noticed you have a literal mess of video games shite lol
Go outside.
Culture Bearer no one cares
Kyr Cookies dont throw stones in glass houses😂
Everythings “natural” by this interpretation. You know what else is natural? Removing such people from your country.👍🏼
Joseph Forde I like this response
misery loves company
Culture Bearer It would be more natural for you to remove harmful thoughts and hatred from your heart and mind, so that you can begin to experience life.
Amazing. Really really well done, and educators like Antonia are a huge part of the reason I love biology!
This woman tries to make arguments by using false analogies. IDIOTs, we are not slugs or clown fish! FOOLS!
+Joseph Forde 👌👌 love your reply
seriously!!
Science is empirical-meaning, all of these things she brought up can be observed and experienced with your own senses. Facts rely on evidence. There is a reason why she is on a stage speaking to an audience and you are not.
You don´t know what natural means. It means walking a narrow path that produces the best circumstances for all parties involved INCLUDING and especially the children. I concede to outliers , but there is a mean state that is preferable to the raising of mentally and emotionally stable human beings. We have long left that narrow path.. the bloodshed coming will be caused by this folly!
+Antares8491 naw, i'm actually very bored with this conversation. l8r
+Tall Noodle >> " _from your response, yes_ "
+Antares8491 from your response, yes