Is the Indian Motorcycle 116 Engine Right For You?

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  • ron diaz
    ron diaz 2 дня назад

    Get to the point!

  • Rob’s Motovlog
    Rob’s Motovlog 2 дня назад

    Another great video NightcruiserMA !! When can we expect another ?

  • Derek Broten
    Derek Broten 8 дней назад

    Nice video! The service manager at my indian dealer told me that if I put a tuner on and if something happens to my motor that they can tell by by hooking up there computer to my bike and see that I had a after market tuner ( which could void my warranty) and indian may not warranty it. I was also told that the ecu?? Is a learning computer that the more you ride it the better it will perform.

    • One Slave
      One Slave 22 часа назад

      Depends on the tuner.
      When you remove the Dobeck EJK, it is gone and there is no trace left anywhere.
      Your dealer sounds pretty chicken s-it, I would go elsewhere.
      No doubt your dealer does not have a dyno!
      Go where they know motorcycles, no one will give you warranty problems.

  • Jericho Bargas
    Jericho Bargas 10 дней назад +1

    At least you're not an HD fanboy

  • Muncie Man
    Muncie Man 14 дней назад

    Just found your channel. Dig the vid. I'm a new rider and motovlogger. Subbed ya.

  • duane howard
    duane howard 17 дней назад

    Taking off in any gear other than 1st is lugging the engine, which can damage it.

  • duane howard
    duane howard 17 дней назад

    THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T WEAR A WATCH WHEN YOU RIDE.PUT IT IN YOUR BAG.

  • duane howard
    duane howard 17 дней назад +1

    GET RID OF THAT STICKER FOR START.

    • duane howard
      duane howard 17 дней назад

      +NightcruiserMA remember they like high rpm above 3,500 to get the best benefit from them.

    • duane howard
      duane howard 17 дней назад

      +NightcruiserMA Did you get your bike fixed?

    • duane howard
      duane howard 17 дней назад

      +NightcruiserMAthey drive me nuts.Only Japanese and Polaris use those damn things

    • NightcruiserMA
      NightcruiserMA  17 дней назад

      duane howard lol, nahhhh... I'm too old to be worried about stickers! Well, too lazy, too...

  • Dwayne Dwayne
    Dwayne Dwayne 28 дней назад

    Blah blah blah. Wtf

  • 7ludig
    7ludig Месяц назад

    Did you have the pipes & air intake changed too? Doesn't sound like it.
    Way more power with those additions.

  • Gary Jones
    Gary Jones Месяц назад

    Aftermarket tuning will resolve the torque and power delivery fairly drastically. Stock Indian tuning leaves some to be desired. Yes, I own one that has gone through all the variations with this kit.

    • One Slave
      One Slave 22 часа назад

      duane howard
      A tuner has yet to void anyones warranty.
      The 2 bikes that came apart with tuners and big bore kits received new engines with Carrillo rods.
      Where do you guys come up with this crap?

    • duane howard
      duane howard 17 дней назад

      Why should you go aftermarket, void your warranty, on a product they designed. Harley makes tuners for their upgrades. They also have a smart auto tuner.

  • Nelson Reyes
    Nelson Reyes Месяц назад

    Wow I am very surprise by your review. I have a 2018 Springfield Dark Horse and just recently installed the 116 kit and my experience is that the torque is def available at the lower RPMs the power is available off the mark. I also disagree in regard to smoothness my 116 is very smooth. I never start on 2nd gear so not sure of the chugging. Perhaps your bike needs to be re- mapped. When I picked up the bike it did stall on me twice. I spoke to my dealer and he said to ride the bike for at least 50 miles to let the mapping accurately correct itself. On my next ride the engine never stalled on me. What I will say is that after riding the bike for 2 days is that it is a little harder to start the engine. However for me it’s typically taking around 2 starts the first time starting the engine for that day. I understand all bikes react differently but I am 100% happy with my 116kit and love the noticeable power!!!!

  • Blackhawk 247
    Blackhawk 247 2 месяца назад

    Hello Nightcruiser... Missed your vlogs. Do you no longer make them. Really enjoy them. Hope to see more of them again. Have a great Christmas and also New Year. Ride safe.

  • Donald Massaro
    Donald Massaro 2 месяца назад

    You're very funny dude and very entertaining I enjoyed your video

  • Donald Massaro
    Donald Massaro 2 месяца назад

    Maybe you don't have any children may be the mother needed exercise in the chart want to go along you seem to be very opinionated

  • Donald Massaro
    Donald Massaro 2 месяца назад

    I wish you just stop tech to watch off most disturbing LOL

  • John Ayres
    John Ayres 2 месяца назад

    I have the Rush slip-ons on my stage 2 Indian 111. When they (my Indian dealer) installed them, they replaced the header pipes with another with no catalytic converter. The bike is the best sounding v-twin I've ever heard. I even had my Harley friends compliment me on the awesome sound.

  • ut1004bp
    ut1004bp 2 месяца назад

    lol...I sure I heard you say in another 2018 summer video that Indian does make miss-step. What model year is this?? The 2019 has the different throttle modes, and wondering if this was the 2018 model.

  • One Slave
    One Slave 2 месяца назад

    All this talk and not one word about a tuner.
    So, I'll just say it.
    "The forced EPA tune is not worth having."
    Indian can't sell you a decent tune, if you want a happy motor, you have to buy a tuner.
    Second, the bike has a learning ECM.
    If I change my battery, it takes about 10 days of riding for my ECM to dial back in and yes, it dies at stop lights and sometimes backfires until it dials in.
    Stop and go traffic lights seem to benefit the ECM when relearning, it could take weeks if you only ride freeway miles.
    Even if you have a stock 111, I think you are a fool if you are riding without a tuner.
    If you have a BBK, and no tuner, you are a complete moron.
    You don't have to go PVCX either, the 111 loves the Dobeck EJK and it is only $250 as well as rider adjustable so no dyno needed.
    Crying about an engine without a tuner is just plain rookie bull shit.
    These engines are over the top bad ass in all configurations from stock up when you install a tuner.
    If we had anymore rookies out here making videos about things they don't understand no one would have a decent running bike.

    • One Slave
      One Slave 23 часа назад

      NightcruiserMA
      Yes, you get the EPA approved super lean tune with the kit.
      The bike struggles at 14-1 AFR.
      An inexpensive Dobeck tuner will fix it and get you much closer to 12.5 or 13-1 AFR, something Indian can't do for you.
      Lloyd says the stock rods are more than adequate for most uses.
      I'd bet the tuner on the bike that twisted the rods allowed a red line RPM change, something one would desire for racing but have little use for street riding.
      The Indian bore and stroke are close to the small block Chevy engines that would turn maybe 6000 or 6200 with stock rods and stay together.
      At that point Carrillo rods were needed.
      Indian can't control everything we do, they stepped up and added the rods to the package and now have a bullet proof engine that hangs together with a super lean AFR, a 1200 degree cat by your foot and will take more than the factory red line without exploding.
      The inexpensive tuner is the missing part for a street bike that lets the TS escape the chains of the EPA and be a very happy engine.
      A tuner will make so much difference in even a stock 111 you will kick yourself for not installing one when you bought the bike.
      Dobeck has dyno runs that show an all stock 111 with a tuner has almost the same dyno numbers as a Stage 2 bike without a tuner.
      Make your motor smile, put a tuner on it, they are only $250 and first time will take you a couple of hours to install.
      Mark Dobeck invented just about every tuner on the market.
      His latest is the EJK, it is rider adjustable and dirt cheap for what it does and there is no need to spend additional money in the dyno shop.
      $250 and you are done, you and the bike will both be happy.

    • NightcruiserMA
      NightcruiserMA  2 месяца назад

      You do know that 1) Indian does recalibrate the ECU when the 116 kit is installed, and 2) Aftermarket ECU's were causing the 116's to blow up, right?

  • DSP
    DSP 3 месяца назад +1

    Thanks for another great video ! Really appreciate your point of view.

  • zulu
    zulu 3 месяца назад +3

    Engineers design motorcycle motors to be operated a certain way for a reason, that's why there is a first gear on the motorcycle. It is designed to be driven from a standing start in first gear, not second or any other gear for that matter....and the hard starting isn't due to "...mass of the pistons...", that doesn't even make sense, it's due to the mass of the crank.....good video though...

  • Leroy Jones
    Leroy Jones 3 месяца назад

    I’m wondering how much that changed your fuel mileage

  • Tony D'Angelo
    Tony D'Angelo 3 месяца назад

    For the love of God just get to the point. This should have been a 5 Min video

    • NightcruiserMA
      NightcruiserMA  3 месяца назад +2

      No chance... I ramble and ramble... lol. I hold you under no obligation to watch me rambling :)

  • Robert Simmons
    Robert Simmons 3 месяца назад +1

    It’s not just your motorcycle that stalls. I added the 116 to my 2018 Chieftain Limited and as soon as I did, I noticed that it stalls out. It even caused me to drop it on a turn because it stalled on me. I was furious! I’ve gotten used to it by now, but I wasn’t happy at all after spending over $3000 to get it.

    • One Slave
      One Slave 22 часа назад

      Robert Simmons
      Tuner for sure.
      The 111 ecm is also a learning device.
      My dealer will run any of the bikes reflashed or that have had the battery disconnected a minimum of a hour stop light to stop light in city traffic.
      I takes mine a couple of weeks to relearn if I just freeway ride.
      Once it dials in its fine.

    • BuzzLOLOL
      BuzzLOLOL Месяц назад

      It needs a tune...

  • FlyBaby
    FlyBaby 3 месяца назад

    Overly lean? Who knows? I wonder if you had an aftermarket dyno run?

  • Chris Ericson
    Chris Ericson 3 месяца назад +1

    I just watched your video and I noticed you have the same issue that I have with the bike just cutting out randomly when you have the clutch disengaged when you are about to downshift! I thought I was the only person... I have a 2018 Indian Chieftain Classic and I only had the problem start after I got the stage 2 down at my dealership. I can't replicate the problem ever and the dealership could not replicate it either. The bike starts up quickly every time it happens but there is no rhyme or reason for the bike to stall. The only common thing is it's when I have the clutch disengaged and let the RPM's drop down and the rpm's fall and keep falling until the engine shuts off.

  • Jacob James
    Jacob James 3 месяца назад

    Get an aftermarket tune (such as one from the PCVX) and that will fix a lot of issues. If you have a warranty claim then you can always flash back to the factory tune.

  • tyee4u
    tyee4u 3 месяца назад

    Loose the watch. Problem solved. 😎

  • H J
    H J 3 месяца назад +1

    “I have a turbo but I don’t like turbos.” I’m done watching this video.

    • NightcruiserMA
      NightcruiserMA  3 месяца назад +1

      LOL! I know, I know, I know... but hear me out... it *almost* makes sense. I was lured toward a used 2014 Audi S8. Twin turbo S8 with 520 stock HP, now pushing 620 with a couple of mods. I mean, it's forgivable that it's a turbo.... 0-60 runs around 3.1 seconds.

  • kyle stewart
    kyle stewart 3 месяца назад

    It sounds like your Cam choice was poor for your style of riding. Also a different tune would cure most all your manners on the bike. Take the time and FIX the issues.

  • Bob Cook
    Bob Cook 3 месяца назад

    Love your safety shirt...

  • Wes Jacobs
    Wes Jacobs 3 месяца назад

    I feel I'm just never gonna be able to go to Indian since I've owned my 2012 Victory Cross Country Tour. What I've seen on You Tube & Read is the power just drops off after 4,000 RPM and my Victory says please rev me to the moon. I'm normally shifting between 3 and 4 Grand but I can go all the way to 6 Grand if I want and I never down shift from 6th gear to pass on the Highway. Just don't think I could get used to it.

  • Peeon the3rdrail
    Peeon the3rdrail 3 месяца назад +1

    Admittedly I'm a harley and buell guy, but I really enjoyed this video. Some of the symptoms you describe (hard starts, chugging down low, twitchy throttle) can be rectified with a good dyno tune and a decent flash tuner.

    • duane howard
      duane howard 17 дней назад

      Slow speeds take it out of sport

  • Grady JENKINS
    Grady JENKINS 3 месяца назад

    A loss of bottom end torque is always a trade off when you go to larger cams. The bigger cams move the power curve up in the rpm range of course with more power but should be understood

  • Dave Murphy
    Dave Murphy 3 месяца назад

    Damn bro! Get to the point already. The cam upgrade alone causes some of those low end issues. It's the ol saying.

  • John Gonzales
    John Gonzales 3 месяца назад +1

    most people aren't stupid. we know where power will come on. you can choose different cams that will give you more torque. a performance upgrade is something that will be a bit different and most people are smart enough to know it wont run like a stocker.

    • NightcruiserMA
      NightcruiserMA  2 месяца назад

      I think that's true with almost any aftermarket add on. But when it is a kit that is built by the manufacturer and installed only by dealers, I think most people have different expectations.

  • Wes Clark
    Wes Clark 3 месяца назад +2

    Those are all deal breakers!

    • Frank Bohacek
      Frank Bohacek 2 месяца назад

      Wes Clark the 2019,sea all look like shit the2018s were way cooler 2019 sucks!!!!I'm

  • John Jackson
    John Jackson 3 месяца назад

    You bone head, "we" don't wear watches, "we " don't care about time... LOL

  • Solo .01%
    Solo .01% 3 месяца назад

    Cam profile affects powerband.

  • clayton gley
    clayton gley 3 месяца назад

    Years back I bought a brand new Victory. For 3 years I had problem after problem. Polaris didn't feel they needed to help with all the issues. It just scares me off from ever buying an Indian. I've never gone through all that with the Harleys that I've owned.

  • grayboo212
    grayboo212 3 месяца назад

    Are you going to be able to remove that ugly sticker next to the gas cap? Check out Adam Sandoval's Dark Horse: ru-clip.com/video/ggceuqwjlcq/видео.html?t=893. Looks like he did and that's what's left. Is that put on with some special adhesive that's hard to get off? I haven't bought a vehicle in quite a few years but the last one I did, a hairdryer and some WD40 (I think) took off the dealership sticker on the back without out trace.

  • Geoff Oz Evans
    Geoff Oz Evans 3 месяца назад +1

    Just started watching your channel, really good reviews & very well produced. You're doing a great job , 10/10👍👍😎

  • John Hilty
    John Hilty 3 месяца назад +4

    FOCUS MAN FOCUS!!!!!!!!!!!! Your all over the place with this video.

  • Greg Demott
    Greg Demott 3 месяца назад

    Ev ya got to remove that tank sticker dude. It's like kids wearing baseball caps with a sticker still on it. It just screams dork. LoL.

    • FlyBaby
      FlyBaby 3 месяца назад

      +Greg Demott I'm still riding a 16 year old Honda VTX1800 and dont have ANY issues with fueling or lack of torque. I guess Indian is form over function, at least for the big bikes. The Scouts seem fine.

    • Greg Demott
      Greg Demott 3 месяца назад

      +NightcruiserMA I wish I was like you. I buy something I love its a lifetime contract with me. I still have my very first guitar.

    • NightcruiserMA
      NightcruiserMA  3 месяца назад +1

      You know I don't keep bikes long enough to worry about stickers... lol

  • Bob Krueger
    Bob Krueger 3 месяца назад

    Good video. What camera and mic system you using?

    • NightcruiserMA
      NightcruiserMA  2 месяца назад

      Hi Bob. This was done with a Sony X3000 and an external lav mic (can't remember the model.)

  • Dean Cory
    Dean Cory 3 месяца назад +3

    I need an Indian 111, I don't need a 116

  • scruffy Pontiac
    scruffy Pontiac 3 месяца назад

    Did a nice review. I had a 2017 Indian Vintage for 9,000 miles. That thing had so many issues I can't even start. The engine would not even preform as well as the 07 Stratoliner with 75,K I have. The indian was not very responsive into the corners. The viberation on the floor boards was so bad my feet would not stay on the boards.. It just did not run or manover well at speed. I got rid of it. I gave it a good trial run and it never got any better. If you have to spend 2-3K to get it to run like a stock Stratoliner does out of the box why buy that machine. I still have the Stratoliners and a New 2017 Moto guzzi. Which has out preformed the Indian in every way. I do give Polaris A+ for looks and comfort The Indian was one of the most comfortable bike I have ever riden. Too bad is one of the worst preforming bikes I have ever owned. I have been riding bikes since 1962.

    • One Slave
      One Slave 22 часа назад

      You must have been on a Harley!
      If it would not corner, you need bars to push the center of gravity back.
      If it vibrated, something was wrong with it, 111's have very little vibration.
      Its real sad when someone falls thru the cracks with an Indian, the bikes are so good there is no reason for it.

  • Bret Archibald
    Bret Archibald 3 месяца назад

    Good grief, I can't finish this..

    • Bret Archibald
      Bret Archibald 2 месяца назад

      +NightcruiserMA thank you.

    • NightcruiserMA
      NightcruiserMA  2 месяца назад +1

      +Bret Archibald You can see a list of all four things at 10:34 :)

    • Bret Archibald
      Bret Archibald 3 месяца назад

      +NightcruiserMA lol, you're a good sport. What three things do you dislike about your Indian?

    • NightcruiserMA
      NightcruiserMA  3 месяца назад +1

      Bret Archibald Hell, I can't finish watching my own vlogs. I wouldn't ask you guys to do anything I couldn't do 😊

  • Greg Demott
    Greg Demott 3 месяца назад

    Great review. And good to know. I do not think a side hack will perform well with the 116. So something to think about. I wonder how the 19 mapping performs with the select a ride function.

  • MasterSpin77
    MasterSpin77 3 месяца назад

    It sounds pretty cool...

  • 120074
    120074 3 месяца назад

    Most reviews say not worth the extra money

  • Brad Gerard
    Brad Gerard 3 месяца назад +2

    I have a 2014 Indian classic. I put the performance slip on exhaust, big sucker intake. Road the bike for a year. 10,000 km. Performance cams came out and I got them installed. Road with the performance cams for 2 years. Complained about stalling at lights, bucking at light cruise at 1600 rpm and the rattling noise was excessive. Wasn't able to get it fixed despite numerous dealership repair visits for those issues. I just recently removed my performance cams and had stock cams put back in to see if it was the performance cams causing issues. I have now verified that it was the performance cams causing the issues. To me the heads up on the rattling noise and the jerking at light cruise in lower gears might be a trade off for the performance. But the random stalling at lights and hard start is unacceptable. I now ride happily with the stock cams.

    • Jacob James
      Jacob James 3 месяца назад +2

      I have the indian stage 2 cams in my roadmaster and mine doesn't do that. All you had to do was get a PCVX and flash the bike and all the issues will go away

  • Barrett Powell
    Barrett Powell 3 месяца назад +13

    I picked up my 2018 Chieftain Dark Horse back in February of 2018. I had ridden the 111 and the 116 demos the dealer had and just told them to put a complete blacked out 116 on the bike and I'd pick it up in 2 weeks. I also had the bike upgraded with "Elite" items like passenger accommodation, upgraded floorboards and pegs, all Indian LED lights, and a flared windscreen. From that perspective the bike is absolutely beautiful. But from day one the bike ran terrible. Then I connected with a couple of guys on the forums who had their connecting rods come through the engine case. Soon after the "stop sale" and news came out about a redesign.
    If your not going to get a proper tune on a 116, don't waste your time or money. The stock mapping and timing is complete trash. I waited until my bike was updated with the "fix" which included the beefier Carillo connecting rods and redesigned pistons. I knew I wanted to get the bike tuned and running right so I waited until Biketoberfest in Daytona since I knew most of the vendors would be there with their mobile dynos. I ended up going with Lloyd's/Indian of Charlotte who was setup there on the corner before you cross the bridge. I will tell you, those guys know what they are doing and set me up with a Dynojet PCVX and a completely custom tune for my bike. The result is 123 plus HP and 144 plus TQ. It is by far one of the strongest Indians I have heard of. It runs like a completely different bike. Gone are all the bad habits you mentioned in your video...except for the increased clutch pull obviously.
    Look, there are lots of people out there selling snake oil for this bike. What I can tell you is my experience. The complete 116 kit (Stage 1 Intake, Stage 2 Exhaust, and Stage 3 BBK) is the perfect match for this bike when properly tuned. And a proper tune is the key. Before, I was like you, pluses and minuses of the 116. Now, I can't find a single bad thing about the 116. Like I said, unless your going to get a proper tune, don't waste your time on a 116. A proper tune in my opinion is a tune done specifically for your bike, not an off the shelf tune from someone else. These bikes will have so slight a differences that in order to get the most out you have to have a tune for YOUR bike. Is it expensive? Yes and no. My complete tune including a PCVX was around $800. It was money well spent.

    • Vinnie Peele
      Vinnie Peele Месяц назад

      +Barrett Powell Thanks Barrett for the info!

    • Barrett Powell
      Barrett Powell Месяц назад

      For the record, I don't totally believe their dyno numbers though. It is about 10 HP and TQ higher than any other bike I've seen. I'm getting a dyno run locally in the next few weeks just to verify.

    • Barrett Powell
      Barrett Powell Месяц назад

      +Vinnie Peele Yes. The Myrtle Beach and Charlotte Indian are apparently owned by the same group. They are also in partnership with Lloyds. They all had a mobile dyno unit setup down in Daytona at Biketoberfest and were doing installs and tunes. They installed the PCVX and did a custom dyno tune on the bike. They had the bike for about 3.5 hours.

    • Vinnie Peele
      Vinnie Peele Месяц назад

      Barrett, thanks for the great info. Just to clarify, did you go to the Indian dealership in Charlotte and they installed the Lloyds PCVX for you?

    • BuzzLOLOL
      BuzzLOLOL Месяц назад

      Thanks for the info...

  • Eric s
    Eric s 3 месяца назад

    My Suzuki C109 has more power

    • Eric s
      Eric s 2 месяца назад

      Not a brand fan boy so I do not need it just love it. I am at the age of I do not give a shit what others think its a great time in life once you realise other peoples opinion has no bearing on your life or your happiness.+David Falgout

    • David Falgout
      David Falgout 3 месяца назад

      thats ok you need it since its not an Indian!

  • northerniltree
    northerniltree 3 месяца назад +4

    Too much talking

    • David Falgout
      David Falgout 3 месяца назад

      a bit more pithy would be nice!

    • northerniltree
      northerniltree 3 месяца назад

      YAk, Yak, Yak..... I just want the bullet points.

    • J Hask
      J Hask 3 месяца назад +1

      northerniltree would you rather he just ride around saying nothing? Good review of the bike.

    • NightcruiserMA
      NightcruiserMA  3 месяца назад +2

      Well, you know, it's a vlog, so.....

  • Pedro C
    Pedro C 3 месяца назад

    So after all this when are you getting the next bike? Factory 116 kits suck if that's what you got?Who tuned it? and if its the flash for the kit too bad its horrible. You can always do better after market. Do your self a favor, regardless of Maximus or PCVX, Get the dyno ecm tume. Next best is remote tune.

  • Christopher Lococo
    Christopher Lococo 3 месяца назад +2

    Mumble jumble..just a load of nonsense.

  • Joseph Marton
    Joseph Marton 3 месяца назад

    All and every "stage" kits are useless from a standstill. They are designed for high revs which is not healthy for a two cylinder engine

    • One Slave
      One Slave 22 часа назад

      Indian is built to take it.
      No worries.

  • sixshooter4570
    sixshooter4570 3 месяца назад

    A lot of the characteristic of how the engine responds depends on the cams.
    I think Lloyds cams, not the hottest ones, are the ones that will wake up the bike and offer greater reliability than their hottest cams.
    Lloyd's cams, engine timing, free flow air filter and a great exhaust will make a huge difference. I think they use something other than the P.C. 5
    Here you go: The Runaway Performance Indian Motorcycle on Facebook.
    We specialize in Indian performance parts and tuning!
    Rylan Voss Indian

  • DSP
    DSP 3 месяца назад

    👍🏻👍🏻

  • Alberto Sbrolla
    Alberto Sbrolla 3 месяца назад

    👍

  • wq1299
    wq1299 3 месяца назад +5

    Again, it is not an Indian! It is a Polaris.

    • One Slave
      One Slave 22 часа назад

      Bruce Morris
      It truely is an Indian, made perfect by Polaris.
      Much love and thanks to Polaris for the incredible job they have done with their Indian Motorcycle, it's not just the best, it is the best by miles and miles.

    • Bruce Morris
      Bruce Morris 2 месяца назад +1

      It's not a Lincoln! It's a Ford. It's not a Lexus! It's a Toyota. It's not a Ducati! It's an Audi. It's not a Chrysler! It's a Fiat. Where does it end. It's just the way businesses do things now. Rest assured It is most definitely an Indian.

    • Jacob James
      Jacob James 3 месяца назад

      using your stupid ass logic then all of these companies are actually proctor and gamble and not their own. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Procter_%26_Gamble_brands

    • Wayne Siminski
      Wayne Siminski 3 месяца назад

      wq , your an idiot!

    • Total Package
      Total Package 3 месяца назад

      Chris Carman, well said my friend!!!!

  • Jason Perry
    Jason Perry 4 месяца назад

    You were actually easier to hear before you closed you helmet all the way.

  • VicJackpotRider
    VicJackpotRider 4 месяца назад

    Get an Maximus tune

  • Mike Kratz
    Mike Kratz 4 месяца назад +17

    I am not sure the engine size is really that important. This is just a marketing ploy to sell bikes. I know that it is the marketing department's job to market bikes but there is more to the feel and enjoyment of riding than a number on the side of the engine. For example Harley 96, Victory 100. Harley 103, Victory 106, Harley 107, Indian 111, Harley 114, Indian 116, Harley 117. It is just like the razor commercials, this one has 2 blades, mine has 3 blades, mine has 4 blades, this the best with 5 blades and so on. I think they believe we are idiots who will just buy the bike with the biggest number on the engine. What about power and torque, feel and sound, reliability and ease of servicing. These considerations are more important than a number. Someone who thinks that their bike is better than another one because the number on the side says 116 instead of 111 is missing the whole point of riding.

    • duane howard
      duane howard 17 дней назад

      Those engine upgrades like the higher rpm. So gun that shit and watch it throw you on your ass.

    • David knows
      David knows 20 дней назад

      I agree. I ride a 96 cube Harley 2 up all over and have no need for the biggest motors to have a great ride. If I go Indian, it'll be a 111.

    • NightcruiserMA
      NightcruiserMA  3 месяца назад +3

      Interestingly, since I did a test ride before buying, I knew what the 116 felt like and it does in fact feel much stronger than the 111 over 2k rpm. It's not as much of a marketing ploy as much as it's something I feel is poorly implemented. Where you're right is that it doesn't matter for the style of riding that most Indian or Harley riders wants. I'll take the 111 all day for its smoothness and flexible power range.

  • The Scott
    The Scott 4 месяца назад +3

    Not sure about your low torque issue from a standstill. My buddy’s 116 leaves my M8 in the dust on takeoffs.

    • Rob Patton
      Rob Patton 3 месяца назад +3

      My 111 goes head to head with the M8 107 until we both hit 6th gear and my 111 just walks away from it. A lot of my HD friends were shocked that after a few miles I would catch up to the 114 M8 and walk away from it also. The 114 M8 is way more responsive on the bottom end but the 111's top end seems unmatched yet so far. I'm planning on doing the 116 upgrade to surprise the shit out of my buddies next season.

  • Nathan Davis
    Nathan Davis 4 месяца назад +2

    Dyno map it for smooth throttle..It should have come with a hydraulic clutch from the factory.Can you get it from the factory with the 116 installed rather than have the dealer crack open the engine?

    • One Slave
      One Slave 22 часа назад

      FlyBaby
      I think it will come.
      They need to get the bugs out first and get it to run well with the EPA forced setup.
      It could have some changes to be production though, the cams may not be as aggressive or the compression could be lower.
      Some of us are happy with a slightly temperamental engine that has lots of power but many people may never be happy even though they would insist on buying the upgrade if it came factory.
      We really are getting power and parts that most riders don't need or understand.

    • FlyBaby
      FlyBaby 3 месяца назад

      EPA Emissions regs. Or just a desire to charge more for "premium" parts.

    • NightcruiserMA
      NightcruiserMA  3 месяца назад +1

      All 116 kits are installed by dealers.

  • Wayne Dilworth
    Wayne Dilworth 4 месяца назад

    I think you should look at buying a dynjet PVCX, I have a Springfield with S&S filter and V&H pipes, the tune on that really brought the bike to life

    • Wayne Dilworth
      Wayne Dilworth 3 месяца назад

      +NightcruiserMA No just a 111, however the 16 model was strangled by Indian to get it into Euro4 emissions and be able to sell upgrades, they now don't sell any performance upgrades here but have given us the full powered bike, having a pvcx allows you to put tunes on the bike that have been developed by 3rd parties, I'm currently running a dynojet one but also have the fuelmoto onrs available to me

    • NightcruiserMA
      NightcruiserMA  3 месяца назад

      Do you have the 116 as well?

  • jspiers1
    jspiers1 4 месяца назад

    Sounds like you just need to adjust your riding style to stay above 2000 rpm. You wouldn't ride a Honda at that low RPM.

    • One Slave
      One Slave 22 часа назад

      NightcruiserMA
      You never should have purchased a bike profiled to racing.
      That engine will never be happy idling around town.
      Trade bikes and let someone have it that wants to ride it for what it was designed to do.
      I'm also unhappy right now, my stage 2 air cleaner is not giving me enough air flow from 105 mph on and that is where I like to ride a lot.
      Yesterday I ordered a Venom Plenum from Vicbaggers to get my poor bike running well again.
      I don't think Indian let me down, but I guess I could say it's all their fault.
      I'm sure it's hard to design parts for little old ladies and racers to use at the same time.
      I don't know what the answer is but I sure love my Chieftain.

    • NightcruiserMA
      NightcruiserMA  3 месяца назад +2

      Nor would I ride an Indian or a Harley over 2000 rpm on a normal basis. I have other bikes for that. I don't want to adjust my riding style when it comes to cruisers that should have loads of smooth, bottom end torque for relaxed cruising around town :)

  • Chldof1TrueKng
    Chldof1TrueKng 4 месяца назад

    #1 the clutch pull shouldn't be affected by the 116 kit. Secondly you need a better exhaust system and a dyno tune, and I believe you would have a different opinion.

    • One Slave
      One Slave 21 час назад

      NightcruiserMA
      Thank God for Mark Dobeck.
      He designed most of the tuners on the market today as well as the dynos.
      Some years ago he sold all the dynojet stuff and designed a new tuner.
      It is called the Dobeck EJK and is rider tunable and has no need for a dyno.
      That is his latest, $250 will set you up.
      Indians hands are tied, they have to meet EPA guide lines so you can't change that.
      That is why we have tuners today, it is really the only reason, believe me Indian could dial these engines in perfectly if their hands were not tied.
      So ride a pos and cry or pony up $250 or more and love your bike, the choice is yours...
      Don't be cheap.

    • Richard Turner
      Richard Turner 2 месяца назад

      +NightcruiserMA Why would you not want the dyno tune. If its going to solve the issues you are having and make the bike run better, it would make sense to get it done.

    • Chldof1TrueKng
      Chldof1TrueKng 3 месяца назад

      Thanks, was unaware clutch springs were included. After you get header pipes, a dyno tune would help the drive ability Would love to see your results after doing so, just a thought;) Appreciate your videos and discussion. Happy trails, stay safe, and keep them coming.👍🏻

    • NightcruiserMA
      NightcruiserMA  3 месяца назад

      The clutch pull is affected because the 116 has stiffer clutch springs. As far as the exhaust, I did have my Rush slipons on there, and wanted my Rush headers on there, too, but the 116 has issues with aftermarket headers UNLESS you want a dyno tune, which I did not. The 111 is better suited for cruising down the road in my opinion.

  • Craaag Of Victory
    Craaag Of Victory 4 месяца назад

    Thanks for this video. I know that my 13 Victory had that stall on downshift issue once in a while not anywhere near every day. When I had my remote tune done the ecm rewrite completely fixed that issue. Only happened on the throttle blip at slow ship downshifts where it likely wasn't even necessary to do that little rev speed matching, if that sounds similar to you maybe it's ECM issue?

  • Joey
    Joey 4 месяца назад +3

    Everything you are describing makes no sense. It sounds like who ever did the 116 install did a poor job on tuning it. You should be feeling a lot more off the line torque, and more pull on the top end. Also if your bike is stalling out, and having hard starts as a fuel injected bike.. you got some tuning issues.

    • One Slave
      One Slave 22 часа назад

      NightcruiserMA
      No one should buy a big bore kit and specific cam for low end torque.
      If you ride under 2000 rpm all the time it would not be money well spent.
      If you wanted the cubes for some reason, maybe you could install a stock camshaft, it should be a 800 to 2000 rpm monster then.

    • Q-tip
      Q-tip 2 месяца назад

      NightcruiserMA o

    • TheTripleDubya
      TheTripleDubya 3 месяца назад

      +NightcruiserMA Sounds more like a cam and tune issue rather than a displacement issue. I had 259 cams in my 103 Harley and it cracked on hard all the way to 7,000 rpm, it was amazing in the top end but it had nothing down low and it was a pig to ride in traffic. Went back to the 255 cams, kept the 58mm throttle body and got it re-tuned and now it is a torque monster. Anyway, whatever you end up doing I hope it works out well for you, nothing worse than spending money on something and not enjoying the results. After spending money on my Road King's suspension and not getting what I hoped for and then riding the new Indian ! I know how that feels.

    • NightcruiserMA
      NightcruiserMA  3 месяца назад

      You can actually go find dyno numbers that will show that indeed, the 116 has less low end torque than the 111. It's something that's easy to feel once you've ridden both. The top end, no doubt... it's better on the 116. That's just not how I want to ride my cruiser, though.

  • Zakariya Bokhamseen
    Zakariya Bokhamseen 4 месяца назад +1

    U r the best reviewer, I appreciate your honesty

    • One Slave
      One Slave 22 часа назад

      Zakariya Bokhamseen
      How would you improve on perfect?

    • NightcruiserMA
      NightcruiserMA  3 месяца назад +2

      Thank you, I appreciate it! I can't think of anything that would have changed the handling geometry from 2015 to 2018...

    • Zakariya Bokhamseen
      Zakariya Bokhamseen 4 месяца назад

      In terms of handling did Indian improve chieftain model 2018 from 2015, or are they still the same?

  • Jim Tom Stimpson
    Jim Tom Stimpson 4 месяца назад +1

    I love that you get tickled at yourself. And it wasn't "negativity" it was truth. In my 2 demo rides , I had the exact same experiences! I stalled it at a light, it was abrupt and spotty, wide open or nothing. I could not successfully feather the clutch, it was too jumpy. tons of power but not usable for me. stage 1 or 2 with cams is as far as I would go on my 2017 RM. If I had a 2019 with ride modes , I don't think I would do anything.

  • PaiN's RIdes
    PaiN's RIdes 4 месяца назад +6

    So with all the 116's negatives....do you ever actually use its extra power?

    • duane howard
      duane howard 17 дней назад

      Not when you ride under 3,500 rpms

    • John Potter
      John Potter 3 месяца назад

      Nightraid yourface soul. There are liquid cooled touring bikes. But the market shows people want air cooled V twins.

    • Nightraid yourface
      Nightraid yourface 3 месяца назад

      Extra power? Does it finally hit 100 at the wheel😁
      I like these touring bikes but I hate that there air cooled and underpowered. On a bike that’s meant for cross country travel, why would you not want liquid cooling to help ensure your engine?

    • NightcruiserMA
      NightcruiserMA  3 месяца назад

      Well, I used it at the track, and it shined there, but that's not really comparable to street riding, which was the main purpose for the bike. I'd say no, generally.

  • servicarrider
    servicarrider 4 месяца назад +2

    I think that you do the best reviews on the RU-clips.

  • E. Conway
    E. Conway 4 месяца назад

    Thx for sharing-very helpful insight. I’ve never been interested in big-bore kits/addt’l power...just to have a bike at that level is a blessing so the 2019 Chieftain 111 would tickle me sufficiently. Ride safe & be well. PeaCe.

  • Joe the Trucker
    Joe the Trucker 4 месяца назад +1

    If I win the mega millions, I would prefer a 2019 Chieftain limited in red. I don’t need to have more power than the next guy.

    • duane howard
      duane howard 17 дней назад +1

      Your gonna need it to outrun those relatives you never knew you had

    • ahmed z
      ahmed z 3 месяца назад +1

      Joe the Trucker : vtx1300 (specially R retro) is very pretty motorcycle. I hope one day your dream come true..sooner. :)

    • Joe the Trucker
      Joe the Trucker 3 месяца назад +3

      I currently have a 2006 Honda VTX 1300R. Had it since new.
      Part of my Mega Millions reference was about cost but the other is time. As a truck driver, I spend all week on the road and I am finding it difficult to make time for a nice ride. I’d love to be able to retire and spend some quality time on a new bike.

    • ahmed z
      ahmed z 3 месяца назад

      so in your pre mega million life, what do you ride ?

  • Tony Edwards
    Tony Edwards 4 месяца назад

    Big Bore kits are snake oil... only to give you bragging rights at the bar... Harley sells that stupid Stage 4 kit and yeah it will give you some pretty numbers... for oh the price of a brand new Honda Shadow... problem is you have to have the bike at 4-6K rpm to get the benefit ever rode a Harley at that rpm's for more than 2 minutes? its not fun I've got a Valkyrie max torque (123 ftlbs) at 4k max hp 102 rwhp comes at 5k

  • Rod Hardy
    Rod Hardy 4 месяца назад +2

    Remap the bike with a PVCX from FuelMoto and the remote tuning

  • SCS
    SCS 4 месяца назад +5

    Thanks for the info, I'll stick with the 111 engine

  • Pedro C
    Pedro C 4 месяца назад +7

    Bring it to Rob’s dyno in
    Gardner MA and get an ECU dyno tune to fix the off idle issue. The stalling is a fueling and throttle position issue.

    • Joseph Marton
      Joseph Marton 3 месяца назад

      Pedro Exactly ! Many do not know this

    • Pedro C
      Pedro C 4 месяца назад

      I was there at Rob"s Dyno today picking up my Vision got it tuned via PCVX and ecm tune. . I mentioned the issue and he said, Yup I fix allot of those.

    • Pedro C
      Pedro C 4 месяца назад

      A dyno tune is the better way to go with PCVX. When you have one of the best tuners in the country especially ecu/ecm tuning not far from you. Remote tuning is the second best option.