Teaching art or teaching to think like an artist? | Cindy Foley | TEDxColumbus

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  • Опубликовано: 26 ноя 2014
  • What is the purpose and value of Art education in the 21st Century? Foley makes the case the Art’s critical value is to develop learners that think like Artists which means learners who are creative, curious, that seek questions, develop ideas, and play. For that to happen society will need to stop the pervasive, problematic and cliché messaging that implies that creativity is somehow defined as artistic skill. This shift in perception will give educators the courage to teach for creativity, by focusing on three critical habits that artist employ, 1. Comfort with Ambiguity, 2. Idea Generation, and 3. Transdisciplinary Research. This change can make way for Center’s for Creativity in our schools and museums where ideas are king and curiosity reigns.
    Cindy Meyers Foley is the Executive Assistant Director and Director of Learning and Experience at the Columbus Museum of Art. Foley worked to reimagine the CMA as a 21st century institution that is transformative, active, and participatory. An institution that impacts the health and growth of the community by cultivating, celebrating and championing creativity. Foley envisioned and led the charge to open the 18,000 sq. ft. Center for Creativity in 2011. In 2013, the museum received the National Medal for Museums in recognition of this work. Foley guest edited and wrote chapters for Intentionality and the Twenty-First-Century Museum, for the summer 2014 Journal of Museum Education.
    In 2012, Foley received the Greater Columbus Arts Council Community Arts Partnership award for Arts Educator. She was a keynote speaker for the OAEA (Ohio Art Education Association) 2012 Conference. She is on the Faculty of Harvard University’s Future of Learning Summer Institute.
    Foley is a graduate of the University of Kentucky and The Ohio State University. Prior to joining the Museum, she was with the Institute of Contemporary Art at the Maine College of Art, the Portland Museum of Art, and the Wexner Center for the Arts.
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Комментарии • 394

  • Abdullah Nasher
    Abdullah Nasher 7 часов назад +1

    The hardest thing to do as an artist is deferentially seeing with a new fresh eyes the same work you have just finished.
    Abdullah Nasher
    3d artist & Freethinker

  • Ross
    Ross 6 дней назад

    I think a practical solution to her stated problem would be to start teaching more design or “strategy” classes in school. Designing for a specific class or client forces you to be creative in a strategic way of thinking in order to obtain a goal.
    I think that what she is a proponent for is for encouraging expression and exploration. I think these can be tied to creativity but they’d tend to be less productive. I would be really interested in knowing how she thinks an art classroom should be led practically.
    And as others have said, there’s nothing wrong with teaching skills in art class. Some forms of art, especially in the renaissance were all about creating beautiful works of art that required amazing skill-and not much of a need for the ability to embrace ambiguity. In recent years, art has moved to more of expression, rather than creating beautiful things though, so she’s most likely more so embracing the new trends in art.
    Regardless, this talk is very good to bring up challenges and to get you thinking and talking about what art classes should look like.

  • Miguel Draws
    Miguel Draws 11 дней назад

    As an artist i can say that 5:10 is dead on accurate. So annoyed to hear that a lot...

  • Zaid Almymoni
    Zaid Almymoni 12 дней назад

    I'm an artist (painter)need english native to help me to describe my artworks.

  • Kishan Jaiswal
    Kishan Jaiswal 15 дней назад

    Don't want to offend anyone, I'm just giving me honest opinion - I found no creativity in this video on creative thinking... actually I got confused as I kept watching as to what I am watching this for...

  • Ingrid Coke
    Ingrid Coke 26 дней назад

    Thank you Cindy. Well said.

  • London Art Nanny
    London Art Nanny 28 дней назад

    Great talk... Nurturing creativity and innovative thinking is so important! I love how Cindy articulated it. It builds individuality and as she says, new ideas... I teach art in London, and luckily I do it privately and have the freedom to do so without limiting the creative process of the little artists, but encouraging them to bring out their own ideas. Thank you for this talk, Cindy, it’s inspiring. 👏🏽♥️

  • mark patrick
    mark patrick Месяц назад

    I don’t understand this. It’s like she never got to the point.

  • cyFFrowy
    cyFFrowy Месяц назад

    I love her mouth sounds

  • Ida B
    Ida B Месяц назад

    2 minutes into the talk, i came to the point of muting the video and turning on the subtitles.I truly don’t want to be rude but mouth sounds are truly hard for some people to tolerate. The sound make me so nervous and uncomfortable to the point i totally lost my concentration on what she was saying and all i could only hear was the mouth noise.

  • Анна К.
    Анна К. Месяц назад

    Dunno, the salivation sound was like ASMR to me.

  • the Night light show
    the Night light show Месяц назад

    this lovely women really inspire us here , thanks a lot

  • pedro marques
    pedro marques Месяц назад

    Its ridiculous the idea of teaching art. You cannot teach art you may teach skills but art is something that you simply cant teach. I think its important to understand the art history but the idea of teach you to be an artist its ridiculous. Thats why there is many painters but only a few artists! To become an artist you must create something new and unique in the artworld but how do you teach someone to create something that doesnt exist yet? It only exists in your conscious the ideas but your teacher tell you to do exactly the opposite and follow specific materials for each art project. You cannot teach art because everyone thinks differently

  • Laia Maria
    Laia Maria 2 месяца назад

    I’m lucky enough to be in a University where they teach us how to think like artists and develop our ideas, embracing ambiguity and create meaningful stuff, rather than copying what others have done. But we do have art history and philosophy classes, to help us understand what others created before us and its perception in its contemporary society.

  • Melkor Morgoth
    Melkor Morgoth 3 месяца назад

    This lady is off of her knocker, she rambles on and on about creativity and ideas, but doesnt specifiy how to do it. All the great artists in history learned the basics of art, they spent years learning before they made their masterpieces and that includes Monet. Learning the basics allows people to be more creative because it allows them to get their ideaa across and do what they want.

  • Mcfohly The Polly
    Mcfohly The Polly 3 месяца назад

    How did she not understand the master builder was a metaphor for God...

  • Daniel Soares
    Daniel Soares 3 месяца назад

    Foundational skills in art are still important and should be learned before you get old. Even Picasso realised that

  • Jim Minet
    Jim Minet 3 месяца назад

    Yes, yes, we all must learn how to think creatively, but without knowing or focusing on the fundamentals first, it's like trying to write a novel without first learning the alphabet. Teach art students how to make a horse look like a horse before you start to abstract it. I've seen too many instructors in universities start with the later and forgo the former. Please, we should all be having lectures on the value of representational art as a precursor to abstraction otherwise we will all be going to art galleries and seeing '12 Million Dollar Stuffed Sharks' in formaldehyde tanks and we will be told it is art, when in fact it is marketing and branding. That is another conversation.

  • hmuu zaw
    hmuu zaw 3 месяца назад

    excellent

  • Joe Pecoraro
    Joe Pecoraro 4 месяца назад

    Boring.

  • Natalie Stocks
    Natalie Stocks 4 месяца назад

    Awesome ! As an art educator, and creativity advocate, your message is EXACTLY what I've been promoting for the last 20 years. Thank you!

  • miss april MacKay
    miss april MacKay 4 месяца назад

    Good talk, but basically she is saying: To educate kids about Art Assignments: Have them make "Master Copies," allow them to be Curious, and Play (aka UnSchool Art, because it is human nature)

  • Rebecca St John
    Rebecca St John 4 месяца назад

    I can't watch purely because of the dry mouth sounds. Which sucks because it's so interesting.

  • Eli Gho
    Eli Gho 4 месяца назад

    Very good. I would hope that we might add is 'testing' those creative developments. Not a test for the art student but a test against the substance of the 'creative.'

  • Patton Floyd
    Patton Floyd 4 месяца назад

    Music to my ears. Beautifully presented ideas. Got me thinking all kinds of cool stuff. 😁😁😁

  • Austin Marshall
    Austin Marshall 4 месяца назад

    They should really give the speakers a glass of water before they go up.

  • Kraßton bel Lässarzu
    Kraßton bel Lässarzu 4 месяца назад

    Wonderful

  • Lisa
    Lisa 4 месяца назад

    I think she has some great points and ideas but it sounds like she has a retainer (maybe Invisalign retainers) in her mouth and I felt her annunciation was distracting me from what she was actually saying at times. Maybe I am nuts, but if I am correct, I would encourage her to take out her retainers when giving speeches/talks in the future.
    Smart person.

  • abinaya ezhilarasan
    abinaya ezhilarasan 5 месяцев назад

    You really need to emphasize only few phrases.. Doing it everywhere sounds tacky

  • Nickie Vigilante
    Nickie Vigilante 5 месяцев назад

    H 2 0

  • Willfray
    Willfray 5 месяцев назад

    be an artist is not only be creative. I mean you need to draw things, not only "mud" when we speak about painting. Most of the artists are creative, but not every creative human is an artist.

  • Dr. Kittay
    Dr. Kittay 5 месяцев назад

    Now THIS is what I call an art speech. :)

  • リンカMaha
    リンカMaha 6 месяцев назад

    أتمنى احد يترجم للعربي.

  • Alex S.
    Alex S. 6 месяцев назад

    I use to get downgraded for adding something to a drawing or doing something extra using what I just learned. The most memorable experience was after I just learned to draw a city block using vanishing points for perspective. I picked it up fairly fast so I started making some different shape windows on my buildings following all the rules for drawing windows and made sure that perspectives where correct. She dropped me to a D because I refused to change them back. She told me I couldn’t do that because that was too advanced for what she was teaching. I was always like wtf why are you telling me to hold myself back. Art is the expression of oneself

  • Neo 0101
    Neo 0101 6 месяцев назад

    First step in teaching art...stop “teaching” art. Stop trying to quantify and theorize and hypothesize what you think it is and should be. Three letters of the alphabet have never been so misunderstood.

  • Steve Wolfe
    Steve Wolfe 6 месяцев назад

    I think the stick figure was more creative than the horse.. It clearly was funny, and a little different. Not as well drawn, but quite creative.

  • alys Freeman
    alys Freeman 6 месяцев назад

    I had lecturers kill my ideas, they were bad at thinking here in the UK but in Rotterdam was the complete opposite....but as an independent artist I am a voracious researcher...everything interests me and I have to read it, study it, think it, follow where it takes me....and the ideas happen...

  • OSKARSY11
    OSKARSY11 6 месяцев назад

    She is not screechy, grating or irritating. Oh wait. No actually, she is!

  • J boogieee3
    J boogieee3 6 месяцев назад

    Annoying fuckin voice

  • Ivan Arion
    Ivan Arion 7 месяцев назад

    Very important topic! Thank you!

  • dilraj kaur
    dilraj kaur 7 месяцев назад

    Well said , art is to feel free , motivate ,dream with reality , experience and experiment. I love your child imagination ,if she said art it means she had seen some piece of art like that

  • Sandra Angles
    Sandra Angles 7 месяцев назад

    i disagree.. she doesn´t know about the reality of anothers professionals.. every scientist researchs a lot about the topic they have in hand, and we look every kind of theme.. I think it is not the art education.. it a thing of being smart and intelligent .Nothing More!!!

  • Massimo Gigante
    Massimo Gigante 7 месяцев назад

    another dry mouth ear licker

  • WEE WILLY
    WEE WILLY 8 месяцев назад

    All and Most, are two big words with rather grand claims, that come together to mean failure
    Because first comes the counting, then comes the selling. A lesson learned once upon a time, allegedly.
    A traveling salesman's nightmare? Or a petty traders commercial crimes complex. In the form of a strange bazar at the center of a bizarre island prison, stumbled into in a delirium
    For drivers of hard bargains? Selling hopes, dreams, dead or alive, fresh or dried, escape plans, broken promises, magic fetishes, miscellany, and all things a-sundry
    All for sale? Only because logic and circular reasoning will not be denied. And paradoxical thinking is the fastest way to delay the inevitable, that comes with knowing the self
    What goes around, comes around.
    In a fully realized knowledge continent floating on itself. Castaways play hide and seek with what they think they ought not to know.
    Self contained and out of reach from all other states, like-masses, like like-minds, clump together and become inseparable. Isolated in their oneness
    The denied and the deniers, having planted a flag in this common ground they now share, claim this land as their own, now and forever more, till death do us part
    Only nooks and crannies now left to re-discover, offering temporary refuge from times tempest, and the persistence of this kind of knowing,
    That seeps into soil and water through buried flesh, or is it suppressed memories? Circumnavigating and negotiating the tricky back passages and slip roads of the self
    Before awareness swings back round and reconnects with everything else that ever was. Drivers, on an island of stuff, floating in a sea of the unrealized.
    Mind in motion, traveling on roads of its own makings. Through time and across space. A fleshy motorist driving across an island atol made of matter enmeshed with delusion

  • Lisa Miller
    Lisa Miller 8 месяцев назад

    When people get nervous, as in when they have to speak publicly, their mouths get very dry. How would you do if you were up there?

  • Matangaro Matangaro
    Matangaro Matangaro 8 месяцев назад

    Picasso visited one of caves with ancient stone aged art on the walls - when he exited the cave he famously exclaimed "we have learned nothing".
    This TED talk hits the potential answers to the issues of creativity facing global western acculturused countries employing standardised models of measured progression.

  • Wise_king_solomon
    Wise_king_solomon 8 месяцев назад

    I think teaching art is an oxymoron! It is like giving me a direction on what should i feel about everything!

  • Il Laboratorio Artistico
    Il Laboratorio Artistico 8 месяцев назад

    wonderful

  • Socrate
    Socrate 8 месяцев назад

    Hard to listen to because Foley speaks in such a high,, screechy voice with very staccato phrasing, which becomes irritating finally. She needs to learn to lower her register and speak more melodically.

  • Fritz Wunderlich
    Fritz Wunderlich 8 месяцев назад

    Not EVERYTHING is art, thus it’s weird and irresponsible to tell anyone (especially kids) that they are smart ... because some of them aren’t. Encouraging kids to become decent human beings is way more important than telling them that they could do whatever you they want, because in reality it’s NOT true, a few examples will not regulate things in general.

  • Janet smith
    Janet smith 9 месяцев назад

    100% agree

  • Jack Stevens
    Jack Stevens 9 месяцев назад

    Marry me

  • Dea Lenihan
    Dea Lenihan 9 месяцев назад

    I'm crying. This is the best thing. Don't kill the ideas and don't kill the light in the eyes of our children. xo

  • Margarita Amrita
    Margarita Amrita 9 месяцев назад

    She is so right. There are modalities that do not require formal artistic education. In fact, it may be blocking some very talented artists from creating in their own style because they are so scared to be bullied by those professors who know how one should draw or paint. Kandinsky once said that art must have psychological meaning, the emotional influence on people. Who cares if objects are perfectly painted or drawn if they don't touch our hearts? They are just beautiful reflections, nothing else. Yet simple geometrical figures such as lines, circles, and triangles creatively put together may even make you cry - that is what we do with our art of Neurographica that I am teaching. I see people being deeply emotionally involved in their drawing, going thru a deep transformation, talking to their subconscious and changing their thinking patterns and root believes that limit their lives and their creative process

  • jana Ross
    jana Ross 9 месяцев назад

    Bull

  • Javier Mora Melanchthon
    Javier Mora Melanchthon 9 месяцев назад +1

    Please, give them all TED talk speakers some water!

  • Mandy Lender
    Mandy Lender 10 месяцев назад

    A poor public speaker. Repeats bridge words (so, so,... Um...) The main message is foggy.

  • javeria ali
    javeria ali 11 месяцев назад

    can any one send GARDNER,S ART THROUGH THE AGES IN PDF?

  • Zahed Bin Rahim
    Zahed Bin Rahim 11 месяцев назад

    great.......fabulous........amazing........wonderful!

  • Skellelleton
    Skellelleton 11 месяцев назад

    Kids that can clean a paintbrush and can sketch out an idea before using globs of paint can have any supplies available in my class. I would say the constraints of the material and the patience to explore them is where real creativity and learning happens.

  • chumleyok
    chumleyok 11 месяцев назад

    DRINK A GLASS OF WATER FFS

  • Goldenmath
    Goldenmath 11 месяцев назад

    Great talk, but we all get confused at the reasoning behind the goal, we need to create ideas that teach interaction and cohesion, not separative speculative ideas that have a materialistic bent, we cannot create beautiful children and then stifle them, it will be our ability to think together, not apart that saves our race

  • VeronicasTouch
    VeronicasTouch 11 месяцев назад

    I saw a dido, not mud.

  • Kellie Chasse
    Kellie Chasse 11 месяцев назад

    So fabulous thank you!!! I am an online instructor and my favorite four letter word is PLAY!

  • Piet Smegma
    Piet Smegma 11 месяцев назад

    You can't become an artist. You are born like that. They are learning rubbish nowaday's. No knowledge of materials, no knowledge of painting technics, they call everything art..... digital 'art' 'performance art' etc... .... We have billions of 'artist' without work. Bach: autodidact. Rembrandt: autodidact... Caravaggio: autodidact. Real artist don't need education... only a personal teacher for the technique. nothing more, nothing less.

    • WastingtimeInc
      WastingtimeInc 8 месяцев назад

      A great artist is no more "born" that way as a great scientist is "born" that way. By and large, these people work hard at it and become good at it only after investing the time wisely.

  • Hello Yihaa
    Hello Yihaa 11 месяцев назад

    I think a lot of you are missing the point, she trying to explain that art should not be restricted in how you do it let the kids be creative. I do believe that it's important to know the history and all different skills medium there are in knowing how to do art knowledge is important, but as an artist, how you create your art comes from within you it's a self expression there is no one way of doing art and basically what she's explaining is to allow students to express themselves be creative think outside the box don't just critique. There needs to be a balance of inspiring and giving students the knowledge and skills and then allowing them to interpret and create.

  • Learn and Fun
    Learn and Fun 11 месяцев назад

    Wonderful video

  • Leanne Bandte
    Leanne Bandte Год назад +1

    It’s all subjects, the entire education system, the entire system end of story... that’s designed to brainwash into despair and ill-health. Business is business. 😒

  • ktgage
    ktgage Год назад +6

    dunno thought mud was brown. thought it was a rock tbh

  • joe BONES
    joe BONES Год назад

    Misophonia. Can't take it.

  • artettina
    artettina Год назад +4

    Good observation on her part, that some may have forgot this or they did not know why it is so important. There are artist who can do photo realism because of formal training but have forgotten the need for risk and creativity (ideas), so is it really art? I think that has always been an issue in art that people have talked about. Tools (all tools mental and physical) and the creative idea process should never be parted.

  • Donna Worthy
    Donna Worthy Год назад

    I think it is important for students to develop questions about their reading..

  • woostep
    woostep Год назад

    Product placement YUCK!

  • Amravín de Schur
    Amravín de Schur Год назад

    Art schools see students as a means for some stagnant artists to make a living. The students are not being given the most fundamental skills needed in the artistic profession, because the teachers do not have those skills.

  • Sepano Debulan
    Sepano Debulan Год назад

    lovely...great speech..give me understand how bad we need the real arts in life.thank you

  • Daniel Sparkes
    Daniel Sparkes Год назад

    ffs drink some water !

  • Jessica D.
    Jessica D. Год назад

    This spoke so deeply to me. My whole life art was my outlet, more then anything else ever. the safest presents to buy me AT ANY AGE was always art supplies. but because i couldnt replicate the works of the masters my family refused to support me. My art teachers did, I had a piece of my classwork entered into a exhibit in 6th grade which i have kept even to this day but my parents stopped letting me take art classes from then on. it wasnt until my senior year of high school that i ever took another real art class, and in that one i also had a piece entered into an exhibit. i never got to see either, my parents wouldnt let me go. it wasnt until the last 4 years i really took to my art again because i didnt believe i could. now im applying to have photographs of mine entered into a local exhibit and getting everything ready to teach art classes for my community. to this day my family still dont think im an artist, but at least now (with the help of this video) i own who i am.

  • Leahs Kitchen
    Leahs Kitchen Год назад

    Brilliant woman!

  • Brian Parham
    Brian Parham Год назад +7

    I love this video so much! I'm a teaching artist in Portland, OR, who specializes in teaching kids to play, perform, and compose their own music on the guitar. I found so much inspiration and wisdom in this Ted Talk. Thank you for sharing, and I can't wait to begin implementing these powerful ideas in my after-school guitar program, the Rock Dojo.

  • BursaDesain
    BursaDesain Год назад +1

    nice content, thank you

  • BursaDesain
    BursaDesain Год назад

    nice video, thank you

  • Europa H2O Alien
    Europa H2O Alien Год назад

    Horrible speaker.

  • Europa H2O Alien
    Europa H2O Alien Год назад +1

    Sorry, but today's "art" is nothing more than dumpster material destined for the city landfill.

  • Ghita Georgel
    Ghita Georgel Год назад

    nice

  • Kashan Ahmed
    Kashan Ahmed Год назад

    Creativity will improve when you trying help who need..don't Teach don't teach don't teach...

  • BursaDesain
    BursaDesain Год назад

    great content, thanks

  • Potent Whisper
    Potent Whisper Год назад +2

    A fascinating, thought provoking and inspiring talk. Thank you Cindy! Respect.

  • ClimateMarcher JohnJ
    ClimateMarcher JohnJ Год назад

    In her three steps for teaching creativity, she just described science and cutting edge research.

  • Sari Maaret
    Sari Maaret Год назад

    OMG, this lady needs speech lessons and lots of them! I wanted to listen, but it was impossible!

    • JB
      JB 11 месяцев назад

      Sari Maaret I think you need tact and listening lessons. Her speech was epic and your comment mean and unhelpful.

  • Jamie Hume
    Jamie Hume Год назад +1

    Really? Most teachers are not artists, so how can they teach art?
    What anout avcual artists? How was I as a young child with talent who was an actual artistvsupposed to succed? I was punished for my creativity in school. I was also pushed sdide so that others eith no talent could compete eith me. Im still pushed aside.

  • John Chrys
    John Chrys Год назад

    That is amazing and I loved every minute of it!
    This is a very important message that can only be understood by people if they see the pitfalls of a lack of creativity and a lack of a freedom to generate ideas no matter what they are. In any field, in computer science, office work, law. Generating ideas means evolving and if we're not evolving we're standing still.

  • Renzo
    Renzo Год назад

    I began painting late in life.
    I was pleased when what I painted looked like the real thing.
    For example, if I painted a vase, I wanted my painting to look just like the vase I was looking at.
    If it did, I considered my painting good.
    Sometimes I painted from photos.
    I chose photos that...looked like paintings !
    That way, I didn't have to make any decisions about color or composition.
    The photographer did that already.
    Sometimes, I made copies of other people's paintings.
    I became very competent in this.
    But those copies showed only that I could control the paint and that I could match colors.
    The artistry was not mine.
    The artistry belonged to the person who created the original that I copied.
    I continued these approaches for years:
    Painting exactly what I saw either from life, from photos or from other paintings.
    Creativity eluded me.
    Something inside felt paralyzed. Nothing came to me.
    I couldn't interpret what I saw in any way except realistically.
    I stared at Cezanne's still lifes with awe. How did he know to put colors together like that??
    Matisse. Gauguin.
    No, I didn’t expect to be able to paint like them but why, when I painted from life, couldn't I see beyond the REAL?
    Why couldn't I interpret?
    Didn't I have anything to say? To express?
    I looked at the paintings of Arthur Dove and Wayne Thiebaud and felt envy at the way they could create ! They had a personal style.
    There is something that I am holding onto that I need to let go of.
    What has thwarted me?

    • DuoEx
      DuoEx Год назад

      One word: Criticism. You are too critical. Lower your standards of what you consider art and rebuild with the skill of letting go of your critiques. You'll progress much faster :)

  • John Thomson
    John Thomson Год назад

    Going back to the original testing example, what if students got one mark for every answer they could generate, rather than just one mark for guessing the single answer that the teacher could think of.... Yes, schools deliberately limit possibilities.

  • C M C
    C M C Год назад

    :D great speech

  • C M C
    C M C Год назад

    she looks like Joan Cusack in school of rock... and even talks like her.

  • c a t h e a d
    c a t h e a d Год назад

    "what I can tell you about artists is that they're voracious researchers" ... TRUTH

  • c a t h e a d
    c a t h e a d Год назад

    "Artists (...) realize that ambiguity is part of the process" >>>EXACTLY

  • c a t h e a d
    c a t h e a d Год назад

    What a woman!

  • Anthony Bryant
    Anthony Bryant Год назад

    Brilliant

  • BlueVioletCrayon
    BlueVioletCrayon Год назад

    She has invisalign braces I bet. They make you lisp. In case no one ever taught you this, it's mean to make fun of people.