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Game Theory: FNAF, The SECRET Afton (FNAF Security Breach)

  • Published on Jan 17, 2022
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    Theorists, FNAF is my bread and butter. It has taken over my life and my brain. So when I say I think Gregory is a robot, I'm not kidding around. Today, I'm doubling down on my last theory. PLUS we are diving even deeper into the lore hidden in Five Nights At Freddy's: Security Breach!

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    0:00 - No, Greg COULD really be a robot.
    11:25 - Vanessa is Baby... maybe?
    18:38 - Special Thanks to Displate!

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    FNAF, The Monster We MISSED! ►► ru-clip.com/video/_ygN8HLCaJg/video.html
    FNAF This Theory Changes Everything ► bit.ly/2JUQUn6
    FNAF, You Were Meant To Lose ► ru-clip.com/video/7bn8hM9k0b0/video.html
    FNAF 6, No More Secrets ► bit.ly/2LVCq4u

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  • B-1 Battle Droid
    B-1 Battle Droid 22 hours ago +31874

    Just a reminder to like the video! He puts in a ton of effort for these videos! ❤

  • MiraGrace Studios
    MiraGrace Studios 22 hours ago +27711

    Whether the theory ends up being correct or not, I think we can all thank MatPat and his team for coming up with these theories and piecing them together via videos for us!

  • Bribe
    Bribe 11 hours ago +957

    The "I'm sorry" part in Fnaf 4 reminds me of another line in Security Breach, where Gregory finds a "lame Mr. Hyppo magnet" and Freddy says he's sorry in a way that's way too strong. I thought that was so random, and even Mark reacted to it in his playthrough, saying, "Why do you say that like I'm about to die?"

    • thom
      thom 8 hours ago

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    • Mason Still Collects Records
      Mason Still Collects Records  10 hours ago +3

      The original poster of this comment is Tanja Schwalm.

    • Arris The Round
      Arris The Round 10 hours ago +3

      I really think that’s reading too much into it. I think Mr. Hippo is just hated in-universe as well.

    • Alex M
      Alex M 10 hours ago +1

      I forgot about that part. It actually makes more sense now.

    • Issaalaa - Racing
      Issaalaa - Racing 10 hours ago +2

      I had the same reaction when I saw it on danTDM’s okay thro, I’m like why what he apologising for, and Dan also was surprised. So I agree with u

  • LinkSora7
    LinkSora7 10 hours ago +149

    I don’t understand why of all the theories game theory has made, the last fnaf one which has great evidence and links the games lore brilliantly to the previous games got so much backlash? Like I love these last two theories since they have plenty of great evidence and link cleanly with the previous fnaf games

    • CNB ITV
      CNB ITV 8 hours ago

      The main and only backlash I've seen is because the game is really buggy and breaks. I love the game and the lore that could be hidden on there, but even I find it hard to play when the game decides to just stop working.

    • LogicSS
      LogicSS 8 hours ago +1

      @gravity classic comeback, did your mother told you to say it?

    • Reggie Magan
      Reggie Magan 8 hours ago

      Because the vast majority that agrees to his theories don't react much. They just like the video and move on. However, those who do not accept his theories make so much noise that we tend to focus on them believing that there's a huge backlash while forgetting the vast majority who liked the video. Matpat can't please everyone.

    • gravity
      gravity 8 hours ago

      @LogicSS Mad?

    • LogicSS
      LogicSS 8 hours ago +3

      @gravity like you can do better

  • SÖÛP∅
    SÖÛP∅ 12 hours ago +30

    Props to MatPat and his team for making up these theories! They put lots of effort tryna gather these theories

  • lil bunny
    lil bunny 12 hours ago +157

    My theory: Elizabeth was rebuilt, vanessa is her adult robot form renamed vanessa. Baby contained the spirit of the real Elizabeth. Vanessa is the rebuilt version with memories implanted like charlie in the books. Elizabeths spirit was released and put to rest in the fnaf6 ending which is why the eyes aren’t lit up. But since vanessa never contained the actual spirit of Elizabeth thats why she’s around. Basically what I’m thinking is that Vanessa is Elizabeth but Elizabeth/baby isnt vanessa. Just like how the puppet contained the soul of henrys daughter but he still rebuilt a version that has all the memories of the original daughter without having to contain the soul(which inhabits the puppet)

  • Aeroga
    Aeroga 19 hours ago +1729

    As I played through the game I actively thought about how I can’t wait for your theories about it! LOVE IT

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  • Foxy the pirate
    Foxy the pirate 10 hours ago +29

    I wonder if Scott ever watches mattpats theories while eating popcorn and laughing

    • ForeverLaxx
      ForeverLaxx 10 hours ago +4

      Scott has to get ideas of where to take the game lore from someone. Why not take them from the most popular Confirmation Biasist himself?

    ANGELO YT 12 hours ago +18

    credit matpat for these theories even if its right or wrong he really explore the whole fnaf lore keep it up man

  • Kat Etchison
    Kat Etchison 12 hours ago +31

    I have a mini theory thats been in my head since I heard the tapes. I really havent seen anyone talk about it but I could very well be way behind on the lore here. I came to the conclusion that Glitchtrap is not the soul of william afton. And as far as I can tell the only evidence for it actually being william is purple bunny and murderous tendencies. But what if it were Baby? If vanessa is losing herself between Her own personality and Baby it would make sense for things like her eyes chanign color in the trailers to be relevant. The therapist line where she says that all the custody battle stuff was a lie and vanessa has wonderful parents would make sense, because it was actually her being possessed by baby, telling the story of the custody battle baby went through. Plus it kinda ties in to the william trash kaiju it was really baby behind it all along thing. I dont know. It makes sense to me.

    • Mr suspender
      Mr suspender 8 hours ago

      The therapy CDs are of two different patients, patient 46 and patient 71

      The CD that you are talking about is the 16th CD Labeled 4679

      What does that mean? It means it was the CD of patient 46

      Vanessa is patient 71 and her sessions start with the CD labeled 7139 and end at the CD labeled 7146
      So you don't need to make sense of her history being a lie because it isn't a lie

    • Rudeni Novrilana
      Rudeni Novrilana 9 hours ago

      I like the part where Vanessa possessed by baby through the beta tester then her eyes and her hair changing but why she wants to rebuild William Afton, doesn't baby hate him? (I don't know anything about baby) also Vanny can hack other animatronics like Afton does unless Vanessa and Vanny are different person. (I still go with Vanessa and Vanny are same person though)

    • Saeyoung Choi
      Saeyoung Choi 9 hours ago

      ... wait this sht does sound plausible except glitchtrap is 100% william afton cause... man is a goddamn creep like that.

  • Tanja Schwalm
    Tanja Schwalm 12 hours ago +135

    The "I am sorry" part in fnaf 4 reminds me of another line in security breach where Gregory finds a "lame Mr. Hyppo magnet" and Freddy sais he is sorry in a way to strong way. I thought that was so random. Even Mark reacted to it in his playthrough. Quoting him: "Why do you say that like I'm about to die?"

    • Galaxy Knight
      Galaxy Knight 9 hours ago +4

      I always saw it as Freddy trying to level with the kid. I mean, when you're a child opening a gift, one of the worst things ever is if you happen to get something you don't want. It's not that big a deal if you're older, but a kid could be genuinely upset. I imagine Freddy was trying to react in a very sincere and understanding way.

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      Mason Still Collects Records  10 hours ago +3

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    • Arris The Round
      Arris The Round 10 hours ago +7

      That’s a stretch. It’s just a joke about everyone hating Mr. Hippo even in-universe. He’s called mediocre in pizzeria sim for a reason lol

    • glittery_cucumber
      glittery_cucumber 11 hours ago +3

      I found that weird too, weird enough to remember it from MatPat's 500 hour playthrough

  • Wild
    Wild 22 hours ago +16315

    I genuinely don't care it the theories are right or not I just love hearing them explained. I mean you gotta remember this entire channel is called game THEORY

      MIETALA 8 hours ago

      @Duck Man definition of insanity

      TROLL KING 10 hours ago

      @ILoveDucks_3759 he literally puts evidence

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      Frolic 12 hours ago


    • trinitea corianna
      trinitea corianna 13 hours ago

      EXACTLY like why are ppl so pressed for lmao

    • Milkue Tea
      Milkue Tea 13 hours ago

      Fr, it's called game THEORY and not game FACT for a reason

  • Grimm
    Grimm 11 hours ago +7

    Always remember, with this game series, there's no such thing as coincidence.

  • J P
    J P 9 hours ago +4

    I feel like the perfect ending to this franchise would be a movie or animated series that shows the entire timeline. And it’s in chronological order, a straightforward answer would be nice.

  • Sparky Bean
    Sparky Bean 12 hours ago +5

    Glad I saved this for when I was more awake. Really really appreciate you continuing to do theories on fnaf even though it's become such a bizarre and confusing franchise! Actually loved this theory, me and my friends when watching through fnaf said freddy was Michael and it was the son trying to fight back against his father's legacy, doing a little bit if possible (like we assumed pizzeria simulator was) but bloody loved this! Thank you for goin through all of the stuff possible for a theory matt, especially after the comments from the last theory, 😂

  • Tim villarreal
    Tim villarreal 12 hours ago +6

    I love how my childhood into adult life has one long complicated story I get to follow without dedicating hours on end to hear

  • Wren Darling
    Wren Darling 20 hours ago +6982

    I could listen to MatPat deliver crackpot theories all day. Especially about FNAF. I genuinely love this channel.

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      Niko _ 13 hours ago

      @Don't read profile photo alright then, i won’t read your name

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      Munya Llama 14 hours ago

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      Ty The Great 15 hours ago

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      l k 16 hours ago

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  • Biggie Cheese28
    Biggie Cheese28 12 hours ago +5

    Doesn’t one of the discs show how vannesa lied about having a bad family life? She actually had great parents.

  • Victor Fnaf WorshiperYT (#TeamScott)

    *_I believe the main characters of FNaF 9: Security Breach are the Afton Family! I love your theories, MatPat! Brazil Sends Love! ;)_*

  • Killa .D. Otaku
    Killa .D. Otaku 11 hours ago +3

    Mat will give all his night just to solve a mystery and put the amount of effort into it, it's worth watching

  • Owen Sheppard
    Owen Sheppard 12 hours ago +6

    I'm glad this got on #1 on trending
    This guy is a genius

  • Just Some Guy without a Mustache

    Even after every FNAF theory MatPat has done these past years, it's still mind boggling how consistent he is at coming up with them

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    • Josey Strife
      Josey Strife 17 hours ago

      Hey did you see that your comment about the Moon Knight trailer got a shout out by Jeremy Jahns

    • Exploitable Cheese
      Exploitable Cheese 20 hours ago

      if i had to do theories on a series for this many years i would have gone mentally ill and taken to a mental facility

    • Pedz Pedz
      Pedz Pedz 21 hour ago +2

      You are surprisingly low in the comments

    • HowlOwl
      HowlOwl 22 hours ago +8

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  • Marijan Brešković
    Marijan Brešković 12 hours ago +5

    Just wanted to say that there is one more for Matpat to explain. In the fire ending, there are two Vanessas.

  • RandomPerson
    RandomPerson 11 hours ago +5

    I think it would be pretty cool if matpat made a brand new timeline for fnaf

  • Ethan Winters
    Ethan Winters 10 hours ago +4

    Matpat gotta be the reason why we know the fnaf lore very well

  • AnAngryAustralian
    AnAngryAustralian 11 hours ago +3

    I only hopped on the Game Theory band wagon recently and its hard for me to make sense of the theories and characters but I still love every second of it

  • OwO
    OwO 22 hours ago +2413

    You know what would be funny, if the voice actor of Freddy Fazbear made a voice over on how many videos Mat has made for this francise.

    I would say, it would definitely create a meme.

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      Legomaster87544 Gaming 12 hours ago +1

      I found you again OwO

    • Kekio Kenonozo
      Kekio Kenonozo 14 hours ago +1

      Shut up, bro, just stop, stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • ThiccFurryBoi69
      ThiccFurryBoi69 21 hour ago +1

      Kellen has used his favors for Scott

    • Lost K1D
      Lost K1D 21 hour ago

      @Colby Morales Yah, he did Sun and Moon and I guess is just every Freddy at this point

  • Treavor Wrobel
    Treavor Wrobel 11 hours ago +5

    You know original I didn't believe the theory about Gregory but you doubled down and won me over with the explanation you gave

  • Scientific Hooman
    Scientific Hooman 10 hours ago +4

    Put aside the theory for a minute and let's give notice to the hardwork and research and brainstorming needed to make this video

  • fancyfranzi
    fancyfranzi 11 hours ago +3

    I love the theory! For me it all makes sense.

  • 20k challenge with 0 video

    Not only did he apologize, but he continued to defend that theory.

  • Jackson Trom
    Jackson Trom 22 hours ago +5023

    Love how Matpat’s been doing fine with FNAF theories and THIS was the one that split the internet.

    • X Thunder
      X Thunder 10 hours ago

      @Don't read profile photo ok

    • Espeon Mistress
      Espeon Mistress 11 hours ago

      @angrysonic bird That's literally what thos video is? I am sure the OP knows ab that theory

    • O ___O
      O ___O 13 hours ago +2

      @Tiana Bimbana I had a feeling I wasn't the only one who thought this. Twitter, and about 83% of the social media in general has grown into the dark ages, and isn't getting any better. I'm genuinely shocked how it hasn't been taken down. Even if it was, they would've flooded youtube most likely.

    • SomeFoolishGuy
      SomeFoolishGuy 13 hours ago

      There was also the miketrap

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      Chris Lane 15 hours ago

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  • BaconB4T
    BaconB4T 11 hours ago

    I loved how he cames out with these awesome theory's to keep us entertained! Great Job Matpat

  • Jonathan Smith
    Jonathan Smith 11 hours ago +5

    Are we gonna talk about how Gregory was talking about “if I leave there would be more disappearances” every one just seems to skip over it

    • Rudeni Novrilana
      Rudeni Novrilana 9 hours ago

      Probably Vanny kidnaps children to rebuild Afton or something. Maybe Vanny kidnaps the lost children in that place (this is a huge place after all) or Vanny lures the children to follow her. Also it supports the theory that Gregory is just a random kid that kidnapped by Vanny that's why Gregory knows about the disappearances, i mean there's nothing that mention disappearances except that line and the ending.

  • 20k challenge with 0 video

    Gregory: Eating a yellow bear ice cream
    Vanessa: Eating an ice cream similar to the one baby was going to give Elizabeth
    Freddy: Damn this air really hits the spot

  • Tariq de jager
    Tariq de jager 12 hours ago +2

    I love it, Thank you for these awesome fnaf and also other Theories, I cant wait to see what you got for the next fnaf Theories! :)

  • MoliminousTheater
    MoliminousTheater 20 hours ago +2851

    really happy he's actually clapping back on some of the dumb counters, he's normally pretty passive

    • fluffymonster
      fluffymonster 13 hours ago +2

      @Wak Glitch I think part of the beauty of theories is brainstorming and the exploration aspects. Even if something isn't right, it could be interesting and until something is confirmed or denied, nothing is absolute.

    • Wak Glitch
      Wak Glitch 14 hours ago +3

      @alexvstheworld Then you inform them. Not having all the clues in front of you doesn't make you dumb. Come on dude, it's like taking pieces out of a puzzle and then calling the person putting it together dumb for not seeing the big picture.

    • Wak Glitch
      Wak Glitch 14 hours ago +1

      @fluffymonster Thank you. Glad not everyone here is insane.

    • Travis Nelson
      Travis Nelson 16 hours ago +3

      @Xx Triggered E "I mean bro is an OG of YT soooo he is"
      This, my dear readers, is what's called a logical fallacy, specifically the appeal to authority.

    • Carrots Shirley
      Carrots Shirley 17 hours ago +1

      I know, we don't see him offer counterarguments to those very often, it was a nice change of pace!

  • Joyful Fern
    Joyful Fern 12 hours ago +5

    Is it bad that I want to think of SB as a separate franchise then FNAF? SB is just a bit more special to me then the other games and it appears the be really wholesome if you think about Freddy and Gregory's relationship.

    • Citrus Red
      Citrus Red 8 hours ago

      Same actually. I like to think the original FNAF story ended with 6, and everything onwards is just a different story in the same universe. (poor example, but kinda like the star wars trilogies - they have characters and relationships and storylines tying the trilogies together, but every set of 3 is still a standalone story that doesn't really need the others to understand it)

  • Sarthak B
    Sarthak B 10 hours ago

    He finally did justice to this video. I too had a lot of conflictions in the last video. But now my mind is blown. Fantastic job matpat. Just fantastic

  • Emily Ellis
    Emily Ellis 12 hours ago

    Matt- I look forward to your videos and they are the perfect amount of nostalgia, comfort, and interest in the content. I appreciate all you do and it has become an important part of my routine!!!

  • KSNW
    KSNW 9 hours ago +1

    I agree that Gregory is at the very least a incarnation of the crying child, similar looks, the ice cream and the fact that Gregory's eyes are yellow like Fredbear. I just don't personally believe he is actually the crying child robot or not, I think the mannerisms and way FNaF 4 presents the crying child doesn't line up with how Gregory's behaviors is, CC is meek cowardly and TERRIFIED of animatronics while Gregory climbed inside of Freddy from the very start of the game something CC would definitely not do. Another reason I don't personally believe is that the robot aspect is a controversial area in the fandom that up until now has stay exclusive to the games. The points he makes are great but I just dont see it

  • Tracks
    Tracks 17 hours ago +2120

    Gregory: Eating a yellow bear ice cream
    Vanessa: Eating an ice cream similar to the one baby was going to give Elizabeth
    Freddy: Damn this air really hits the spot

  • The Legendary Ancestor
    The Legendary Ancestor 11 hours ago

    Thank you so much for making these videos, it means so much for us. I know you put a lot of effort into these videos.

  • Sage101
    Sage101 10 hours ago

    Mat, your theories are honestly so incredible and creative and I don’t care if they are “correct” or “incorrect” you and your team try so hard to make these theories and we are all so grateful for that, thank you so much.

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    I felt like that theory was already solid, but now it makes a lot of sense. Matpat, you're our superstar.

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      Kzziuz 10 hours ago +3

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      atol 11 hours ago +5

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  • Albert Stuff
    Albert Stuff 12 hours ago

    Honestly he makes the best theory's and I love them

  • GuyBronson
    GuyBronson 11 hours ago +92

    You missed a crucial detail in the therapy CDs: The therapist did a background check on Vanessa’s parents and found that they were still married and loved each other very much. In fact, Vanessa’s childhood was picture-perfect. Everything she said about that messy custody battle was a lie.

    • Mr suspender
      Mr suspender 9 hours ago

      The therapy CDs are of two different patients, patient 46 and patient 71
      The CD that you are talking about is the 16th CD Labeled 4679

      What does that mean? It means it was the CD of patient 46
      Vanessa is patient 71 and her sessions start with the CD labeled 7139 and end at the CD labeled 7146 and not once is it even hinted that Vanessa might be making her history
      So the history of patient 46 was all made up lies not Vanessa's

    • KawaiiKat
      KawaiiKat 9 hours ago +1

      This is if you assume that Vanessa is both tapes. She is not.

    • ForeverLaxx
      ForeverLaxx 9 hours ago +1

      @Gloo They're the same person. It doesn't matter.

    • Gloo
      Gloo 9 hours ago +1

      @ForeverLaxx but the lie is getting called out on the patient 46 cds, vanessa is patient 71
      thats like a huge detail that they didnt just put there for fun

    • ForeverLaxx
      ForeverLaxx 9 hours ago +1

      @ow ye men Nah.

  • Alex Allen
    Alex Allen 11 hours ago +2

    Hey GT just wanted to thank all of you for these lore vids!!

  • -Azi
    -Azi 9 hours ago

    I hate and love how everything he says makes sense. Thanks for the theory, Matt!

  • Terraqua
    Terraqua 11 hours ago

    What an amazing theory. Not just a clever clapback, but an almost nostalgic Game Theory video based on the energy alone. Loved this a lot, y'all. Great job lol

  • GippyHappy
    GippyHappy 14 hours ago +1769

    I love Mat for doubling down. It’s not his fault the lore makes no sense. He didn’t create it, he’s just trying to put it together.

    • ForeverLaxx
      ForeverLaxx 10 hours ago +1

      What do you mean he didn't create it? It's been pretty obvious from at least the 3rd game that Scott has been co-opting the theories to fill in the lore. The game was never supposed to have a sequel, let alone 17 of them and an entire alternate reality book series.

    • Anthony Buganan
      Anthony Buganan 10 hours ago

      "I will put you back together"

    • Silent Occasion
      Silent Occasion 11 hours ago +2

      @River okay it's that form of sets of canon alright I get it now. Thank you very much.

    • Textroditoxin
      Textroditoxin 12 hours ago

      The game lore has been changed numerous times. Remember the suitcase, we never truly found out what was in that suitcase and Scott even said what was in the case has changed more then once.

    • Maria Milagrosa Magsino
      Maria Milagrosa Magsino 12 hours ago

      true dat!!!

  • Jammer Animated
    Jammer Animated 11 hours ago +2

    So Vanessa well Vanny following Glitchtrap's order is in a way similar to young Vanessa following her father's order during the court trial. Guess William Afton really made her daughter do what she's told to.

  • yba sptw
    yba sptw 12 hours ago +2

    Shout out to matpat
    He really just doesn't care about haters go on,legend!

  • Autumchild
    Autumchild 12 hours ago +5

    There's still one question I'd like to ask about your theory about Gregory. If he were a robot, wouldn't he have been affected by William Afton's hacking the same as Freddy?

    • Daniel
      Daniel 10 hours ago

      @Aidan Hilton But GTs whole argument was that William and/or Vanny make Gregory falter and his vision freak out. So the question would be whether they should have been able to hack Gregory enough to capture him.

    • Daniel
      Daniel 10 hours ago

      In the opening scene we don’t see ‘Gregory’ at all during the hack, whether due to lazy cuts or deliberately. Note that Greg seems dazed or confused when talking to Freddy shortly afterwards. Perhaps he was affected and passed out/rebooted while inside of Glam Freddy. Or perhaps the lack of continuity in the franchise is impossible to take seriously. I still want Gregory to be a real boy, even if lore implies otherwise.

    • Aidan Hilton
      Aidan Hilton 12 hours ago +3

      I don’t think the hack William did into the pizzaplex systems would disrupt robot Gregory, because he isn’t connected to their systems at all. He’s a self reliant functional robot, in fact, he’s definitely not connected to the servers, because they have no records of Gregory which Vanessa says to Freddy in that one cutscene

    • JoshJLMG Productions
      JoshJLMG Productions 12 hours ago

      That could be because Freddy was the only animatronic who wasn't trying to kill Gregory. The other animatronics being hacked by William makes sense, as they seem to be on his side during that ending.

      As for why he wouldn't take control of Gregory directly, there could be multiple reasons: Freddy is stronger and is an animatronic who is able to contain a child inside of him (which is something William seems to prefer). Assuming he already controls the other animatronics, adding Freddy to the group makes his little army complete. Lastly, in a lot of movies and books, it's apparently easier to manipulate side characters than the person who you're wanting to get directly, but each example has its own reasoning why that is.

      As for why Freddy wasn't already being controlled, some could say William was waiting until Gregory was close enough to him, or maybe Freddy's willpower is stronger (which would explain why he had to be near William to be hacked).

  • Snowman in a Blizzard
    Snowman in a Blizzard 12 hours ago

    Oh my gosh! There is just so much to process, inspect, brush aside, string together-- ah! 😫
    Thank you Theorist Team SO MUCH for going through all of this and putting in the effort to create theories in order to make whatever sense of the timeline one can. Whether it ends u being right on the money, leagues away from the truth, or stuck in some weird middle ground, these are always so interesting, engaging, and well thought out!
    Thank you Theorist Team!!!

  • Randomboi16
    Randomboi16 19 hours ago +794

    I felt like that theory was already solid, but now it makes a lot of sense. Matpat, you're our superstar.

    • KenzoSSW
      KenzoSSW 17 hours ago

      @Geo Beast he did and im glad he did, but through the video the whole theory, it falls flat.

    • leotamer5
      leotamer5 17 hours ago

      @KenzoSSW Do all robots inherently have houses?

    • Geo Beast
      Geo Beast 17 hours ago +2

      @KenzoSSW I said he explained it not disregarded it🧐

    • KenzoSSW
      KenzoSSW 18 hours ago

      @Geo Beast Then the theory doesn't work, with the unused line freddy says and the fact that Gregory is homeless. The Theory falls flat. Hence why I don't agree with it.

    • Geo Beast
      Geo Beast 18 hours ago +6

      @KenzoSSW he explains that, and it checks out

  • R.ItsNews Mcpe
    R.ItsNews Mcpe 11 hours ago +3

    That Intro Was Cringe, But Great Video Explaining The Theory Lore, Great Job Matpat!

  • KingEpicGG
    KingEpicGG 13 hours ago

    Mat I just wanna say if you see this that I wanna say thank you for making my childhood so special with all your theories it made me appreciate other game lore thx man even if I don't agree with your theories I couldn't hate you

  • Troy TAB
    Troy TAB 12 hours ago +2

    A couple things regarding the Vanessa/Baby parallels;

    One of the CDs says that upon a background check, everything Vanessa said about her history - all the manipulation, her mother's fate, et cetera, was a lie.
    My thought is,
    If Vanessa is someone POSSESSED by Elizabeth, then perhaps that's why. In Vanessa's body, Elizabeth tells Elizabeth's history, and when they do a background check on Vanessa, it comes up as lies. So all that about "Bill," The Manipulation, Mrs. A's mysterious fate? All Elizabeth talking.
    Another interesting point, is that Baby and Vanessa are both voiced by Heather Masters (Might've remembered her name wrong there, but not the point) despite the fact that they would've DEFINITELY had the money to hire a different V.A. if they wanted.

    But to play Devil's Advocate, and go AGAINST the "Vanessa is Elizabeth" theory,
    The talk about manipulation from her dad and the other lies about her past to her therapist might've been Vanessa's subconscious Trying to alert someone about Glitchtrap - William manipulating Vanessa into doing bad things.

  • Falcom Kitsune
    Falcom Kitsune 13 hours ago

    Matpats theories might not always sound perfect at first
    But now 2 episodes in its slowly starting to become a bit clearer. Great episode

  • JR O1
    JR O1 17 hours ago +1478

    When you realize the definition of a Theory is an educated guess, and you can't take Matpat down.

    • Creeper Bloxon
      Creeper Bloxon 8 hours ago

      @Azo Sorabara [AzoSBearTM] Yes, and a law shouldn't be.

    • Griffin Shorts
      Griffin Shorts 16 hours ago +1

      @Endie Is Ded I guess so
      It commenter kind of implied that is was “the definition” so it just seemed a bit wrong

    • Tim Loth
      Tim Loth 16 hours ago

      A theory isn't just an educated guess rather a question that has been tested and explored from many angles many times over.

    • Endie Is Ded
      Endie Is Ded 16 hours ago +3

      @Griffin Shorts In science it means that, but in everyday use it means an educated guess

    • Azo Sorabara [AzoSBearTM]
      Azo Sorabara [AzoSBearTM] 16 hours ago +1

      @Creeper Bloxon A theory can adapt and be updated

  • Jayce Jole
    Jayce Jole 10 hours ago

    These are the videos I always like the most because you can tell Mat actually knows the lore and puts a lot of work into it. (It is often glaringly obvious when he just dipped his toes in other games, as his theories and lack of research shows).

  • CuteDemonUrgot
    CuteDemonUrgot 8 hours ago

    I like your theories. Thank you, for real. Your theories make my evenings.

  • Hunter Brinker
    Hunter Brinker 11 hours ago +28

    Don't get me wrong, these theories make the most sense with what we're presented, but Mat does not point out that later in the tapes the therapist states that Vanessa lied about her family and the custody battle. This reads to me like Vanessa is her own person, but they do constantly mention she's being manipulated in the messages she receives. So maybe in some twisted way glitch trap is trying to get her to believe she is Elizabeth to either make her more compliant or to just feel a connection with his daughter again? I'm just throwing it out there since everything is so vague that anything is possible at this point 🤷‍♀️

    • Citrus Red
      Citrus Red 8 hours ago

      If you play the CDs in the game, you'll see that some are labelled 71, and others are labelled 46. Vanessa's name is only mentioned in the tapes labelled 71, and those are also the only tapes she speaks in. The disc where it says the custody thing is a lie is from the 46 tapes.
      Now, there is no canon confirmation on whether the 46 types are also from vanessa or not, however there are several differences in the behavior of both the clients and the therapists between tapes 71 and tapes 46 (i.e. 46 not liking sunlight and having the blinds be pulled, while 71 - aka vanessa - staring outside because "she likes the sky"; or 46 taking a candy, and vanessa refusing it because "they have 35 calories a piece", or the therapists talking to 46 as if they were a little child, while speaking to vanessa in a normal tone)
      MatPat has also only used evidence from the 71 tapes, as that is the only person we know FOR SURE is vanessa. There's theories that 46 is Vannessa after she becomes Vanny (but there's also things to disprove that theory), but 46 and 71 are most certainly two different patients, or at least treated as two.

    • Liva
      Liva 8 hours ago

      The whole point with there not being a custody battle, just shows it in another light. Like the mother still lost something, elsr the therapist wouldn't have said she knew her mother. But perhaps it needs to be thought of as more abstract, as in her father won custody over her when she became doll, and she didn't have couldn't control what to say. Or e manipulated her to such an effect that she feels he made her push her mother away. Biggest point being that the father manipulated her.

    • TOUCのN SAN
      TOUCのN SAN 8 hours ago

      I saw some other comments mention that the tape youre speaking of comes from the other patient, not patient 71 Vanessa

  • Luise Horn
    Luise Horn 9 hours ago

    I want to add something I've been wondering about Gregory's robo-vision idea. When Moon shows up, Gregory's eyes get a filter on to indicate "it's dark now". The pizzaplex should just look unlit to him if he was a normal child, but instead it's a filter with sparkly stars. This is a visual clue that could be written off as just a part of the game design for gameplay's sake, but coincidences are pretty rare in this franchise.

  • eRic aDventures
    eRic aDventures 22 hours ago +5008

    I feel bad that MatPat gets absolutely slandered for his theories. These are very entertaining to watch. Whether right or wrong, there are different way to tell him he's wrong besides banishing him to twitter hell. Keep making these theories Mat. They're Great.

    • Carlos Rosario
      Carlos Rosario 10 hours ago

      They forget what the definition of a theory is

    • Espeon Mistress
      Espeon Mistress 11 hours ago

      @WoobGamer Also he said he is guessing that Vanny is Baby. He explicitly stated that it could easily go either way

    • King H.D
      King H.D 15 hours ago

      @WoobGamer you’re just asking “why can’t it be what I want?” And saying it’s dumb because of that? Why can’t it be what we want? Does my asking that question make all of your theories dumb? Speaking of which, I’d be happy to listen to your actual detailed explanation as to what completely disproves this theory.

    • Dumbo 5566
      Dumbo 5566 16 hours ago +1

      @Instagram User your out here trying steal views since your really irrelevant

    • shin
      shin 16 hours ago +1

      @Instagram User y'all hear that? i dont.

  • Megan Fisk
    Megan Fisk 10 hours ago +1

    Gregory is confused by a CD when he collects it and calls it "this...disk..thing,". He says "it looks old". If i'm right, CDs became common in 1982, meaning the crying child should probably know what they are.

  • Genuinely_Bad
    Genuinely_Bad 10 hours ago

    Though the some of your theories seem a little unrealistic, I can still respect every single video you make
    The effort and the research put into all of them is just mind blowing

    Also Music man is indeed a great character

  • Secret§Shadow
    Secret§Shadow 10 hours ago

    I love your videos MatPat, so descriptive and lots of evidence to support your arguments and theory. And I love FNaF’s theories- mostly because I’m obsessed with the franchise. Keep up the great work 😃

  • Fatima Piña
    Fatima Piña 8 hours ago

    The “I’m sorry” part in FNAF 4 reminds me of another line in Security Breach, where Gregory finds a “lame Mr. Hyppo magnet” and Freddy says he’s sorry in a way that’s way too strong. I thought that was so random, and even Mark reacted to it in his playthrough saying, “Why do you say that like I’m about to die?” 💖💖💖

  • Isaiah
    Isaiah 18 hours ago +2174

    Not only did he apologize, but he continued to defend that theory. This is why I love this channel

    • Good Good
      Good Good 16 hours ago +1


    • Good Pol
      Good Pol 16 hours ago +1

      Wait if he still defended the theory than why even apologize?

    • Diane Huntington
      Diane Huntington 16 hours ago +1

      I agree with his theory

    • Eric Martin
      Eric Martin 16 hours ago +6

      It's funny enough he retorts to the memes at the start.

    • Rony H
      Rony H 17 hours ago +13

      Game Theory is just to smart some of us can’t even comprehend his smartness

  • Dean Leuenberger
    Dean Leuenberger 10 hours ago

    The one thing i'm still looking for to be answered and that really intrigues me is the one line that vanny keeps repeating and seems to be her signature line.

    Why this one? Why is her dialogue so limited? Even if she's just taken over by a rogue AI i feel like there has to be a meaning to that specific line.

  • A.c dub Animates
    A.c dub Animates 10 hours ago

    He puts so much effort proving these theory’s and a LOT of these theory’s are right even if there wrong the mat and his team is still going

  • Dylan Krevanko
    Dylan Krevanko 10 hours ago

    It's nice to see Matt taking the backlash so well now compared to in the past. He's definitely come a long way since the "Sans is Ness" thing.
    I personally don't really care whether or not the theories are "correct" or anything, I just like watching the videos.

  • Blank Wyvern
    Blank Wyvern 10 hours ago

    Gotta love how this all started with a popular indie horror game

  • Ryan The Meme Guy
    Ryan The Meme Guy 22 hours ago +2294

    How is Matpat still sane after making this many FNAF theories? Matpat ever gives up! Instead of ruining my childhood since 2011, for me it’s making my childhood since 2011! Matpat is amazing!

    • BubblezwithaZ
      BubblezwithaZ 18 hours ago

      To add to this...I've only been watching for a few years but the game theorist and gtlive intros have the same nostalgic effect of other things...it doesn't make sense since there's no childhood memory there xD

    • KANESA
      KANESA 22 hours ago



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    • Metal Mockingjay
      Metal Mockingjay 22 hours ago

      "I always come back... to make a new theory" -William Afpat

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      Omoge Network News 22 hours ago

      ahahahahaha What you didn't see😅😅 KSIy

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  • darkstarsara
    darkstarsara 10 hours ago

    I'm Just happy for theories; no matter what conclusions to be drawn out or dead ends to be found, it's all wonderful.

  • ShadoeLandman
    ShadoeLandman 11 hours ago

    Even if “bleeding” was what they really wanted to use, and they changed it to make it more acceptable for a younger audience, they chose to change it to broken, not to something like injured.

  • Pandora Theodicy
    Pandora Theodicy 12 hours ago

    #1 on trending, way to go MatPat.

  • Rachj23
    Rachj23 9 hours ago

    Not only does Greg get CRT lines but when you “die” the screen goes fuzzy like a loss of signal.

  • mac aveli
    mac aveli 16 hours ago +621

    I always saw theories as fun thought experiments based on the rules, evidence, and given lore of a media, whether loosely or to the letter. But I never saw it as something that had to absolutely had to be true. It was just something fun and goofy to argue about with friends. So I don't really understand why someone would get mad about it. It's just someone's preferred head cannon. Even if I don't agree with it, it's just fun to see something I like through someone else's eyes. Maybe that's just me.

    • Alden Original
      Alden Original 14 hours ago

      Agreed! it's not a mistake,✨ IT'S A MASTERPIECE✨

    • Slebandogux
      Slebandogux 14 hours ago +3

      Yeah i don't get why ppl are hating on Matpat for these theories, he's just goofing out and having fun

    • ek27
      ek27 14 hours ago +4

      exactly, its called a theory for a reason.

    • Owen Kammer
      Owen Kammer 14 hours ago +2

      You only put “Maybe that’s just me” as a way to back off a bit and seem nicer, and it works, but I think you should should get rid of it😅

    • Joshua Jorcoat
      Joshua Jorcoat 15 hours ago +34

      Exactly! It is called Game *Theory* for a reason. Also, at the end MatPat always says "But that's just a theory" anyway.

  • sadge trollge
    sadge trollge 12 hours ago

    Glad to see that Kel finally made it into Game Theory.

  • Kaylee Renee
    Kaylee Renee 12 hours ago

    I like the theory, would be nice to see some form of the Afton kids get a happy ending together

  • Alfkdna
    Alfkdna 12 hours ago

    I just want to know about the dodgy hiring process. It seems most night guards for these pizza places always get hired under dubious circumstances? Because don't you get to know through texts in the game that she was recommended by someone in the company and hired immediately?

  • Foam
    Foam 8 hours ago +1

    I love the robot/crying child theory because ther'e's also the jumpscares. It look like kid or woman screams. But When it's with Roxy and Vanny, it sounds like a broken machine or a bugging scream with scratching voice. It can't be the voice of the animatronic because Roxy don't have any problems with her voice box so i don't think this is a coincidence. (Also, in the trailer, the jumpscare of Vanny looks like a metalic scream so I don't thnk it has been made random)

  • SLS TheWriter
    SLS TheWriter 21 hour ago +1882

    To be fair on Mark's part, he did later say that he was a nerd too and would've picked golf if he'd been there in real life. xD

    • circle boi
      circle boi 17 hours ago

      @Bryar Swartz idk

    • I want money
      I want money 18 hours ago +1

      He used to play Golf it and Golf with your friends, but at the cost of his sanity

    • Bryar Swartz
      Bryar Swartz 19 hours ago

      @LTPhantom markiplier

    • Bryar Swartz
      Bryar Swartz 19 hours ago

      @circle boi what are we going to do?

    • yes_so_wat
      yes_so_wat 20 hours ago

      Wow bot farmm

  • Dragonorder18
    Dragonorder18 12 hours ago

    I'm fairly convinced that Gregory might be an Afton too. Though not quite convinced he's a robot. Just cause of how Gregory is Afraid for many things in there. I'm still hoping there's going to be more content to the game that they might still add. Although with Vanny's encounters, it does sorta make sense too. I just still lean to uncertain.

  • calcium
    calcium 9 hours ago +1

    watching this at 3 am was a bad idea man, just finished a 7 page reading guide and some exams so my brain is toast
    my mind just did not comprehend anything mat just said
    loved the theory tho

  • Tadao Kou
    Tadao Kou 10 hours ago +1

    I feel almost bad for MatPad. He just has to keep putting out those theories because everyone expects it from him.
    Honestly, I'm really sorry for him that he has to play and analyse this rushed garbage game. I don't there is an actual story in this game.
    I think it's just rushed out the windows without much thought. But they threw a lot of "stuff" in that game. Because why should they actually care about making the story interesting?
    The theory community is going to do that for them. You can basically see it in MatPads last 2 videos.
    He is grasping at straws just to get SOMETHING out. And in doing so, he makes the game look a lot more interesting than it actually is.
    But the sad thing is...his theorys about SB have a lot less ground to stand on than his other FNAF theorys so far.
    Honestly, it really makes me feel bad. So much effort put into those videos about a bad game.
    I was so hyped for SB and his theorys. What a disappointment.

  • asimpleduck 101
    asimpleduck 101 12 hours ago +1

    I think you’re right but the other therapy patient, patient 46, could be Vanny, Vanessa’s alter ego.

  • Akemi
    Akemi 18 hours ago +850

    the evidence he provided is definitely stronger than whatever counter argument one might have regarding the gregbot theory, and the bitten off ice cream cements it (or at the VERY least the parallels between greg and CC) in a nearly indisputable way. also, everybody has their own opinions theyre entitled to and the memes were funny, but can we at the very least appreciate how he managed to make a valid theory out of a /clearly/ unfinished game whose story was /clearly/ changed at the last second? cmon now

    • Mishka
      Mishka 14 hours ago

      @Monika Hernandez that actually makes more sense

    • Monika Hernandez
      Monika Hernandez 15 hours ago

      @Mishka The endoskeleton could possibly be Foxy the design adds up and is even missing and eye on the right side that Foxy wouldn't usually have/need an eye

    • Argonian Gamer
      Argonian Gamer 15 hours ago

      @Invader Lord rebuilt by Michael afton

    • Kingdomsoul
      Kingdomsoul 16 hours ago

      @Mishka nah bonnies mask was seen in the blob too

    • scott rainville
      scott rainville 16 hours ago

      I won’t deny the parallels between Gregory and the crying child but there’s one argument I would like to bring to the table. Why would a kid who was so scared of animatronics to the point where he couldn’t move (and of which his fears were confirmed by get killed by one), voluntarily crawl inside an animatronic because he was either curious or hiding. ( I’m talking about the beginning of the game here) He wouldn’t be curious because he’s petrified of them and if he was hiding it would be reasonable to think he would chose to run or hide somewhere else over facing his greatest fear/ animatronic similar to the one that killed him.

  • Sam Labbato
    Sam Labbato 11 hours ago

    the nail in the coffin for me is that they've already made human-like androids in the book... multiple times. if he's already done it before in the franchise, makes sense for him to bring that lore to the games.

  • Knave of the wind
    Knave of the wind 10 hours ago

    Can we just thank Yoda for keeping the FNAF theory playlist updated

  • AwkwardAnonymous
    AwkwardAnonymous 11 hours ago

    I know the FNAF franchise is such a big part of game theory and I respect MatPat's dedication to the cause, but honestly if the series keeps flying off the rails I wouldn't be upset if it got the Hello Neighbour treatment

  • Chris Bayliss
    Chris Bayliss 10 hours ago

    God I love these theories; even if they're wrong the logic is correct and fun to see laid out. I just wanna know what Vanny is; is it Vanessa in a bunny suit? Is it an animatronic? Is it a spirit? Is it secretly Elizabeth merging with parts of Vanessa? WHO KNOWS! I shall await Matt's answers!

  • Jackson Bess
    Jackson Bess 14 hours ago +1079

    Whether you like the theories or not, just realize that he has put a lot of effort into this. And that he and his team are amazing and that he is still doing strong like 11 years later. Thanks MatPat for everything!

    • cheerios inc
      cheerios inc 9 hours ago

      MatPat is the GOAT

    • Hibilbo
      Hibilbo 11 hours ago

      @Pokejedi to be fair his hollow knight theory was pretty garbage and went against pretty clear lore

    • Kalin The Zola
      Kalin The Zola 11 hours ago +2

      @Tomura Skigaraki "and a lot of them didn't even watch the video"

    • Tomura Skigaraki
      Tomura Skigaraki 11 hours ago

      @Pokejedi yea but it did have its huge plot holes which angered a lot of the fandom and a lot of them didn’t even watch the video

    • Tomura Skigaraki
      Tomura Skigaraki 11 hours ago +1

      @Qwencky hollow knight

  • Grinch
    Grinch 9 hours ago

    Oh, boi… This franchise always gets more difficult with each new peace of content.😐

  • OCD - Gaming And Tutorials

    Its not a mistake ✨️ ITS A MASTERPIECE

  • *Senpai*
    *Senpai* 9 hours ago

    Amazing theory btw but I just wanna say a few things about the whole gregory robot thing : I honestly think that the effect is just for effect, I think that Vanny's suit is designed specifically to not show up on animatronic eyes. The reason why Freddy says Gregory looks weird is because the eyes are like Xrays, meaning Freddy could probably see Gregory's bones and maybe guts. Just had this idea. Love your theorys even tho they may not be true!

  • Arvidplayz
    Arvidplayz 13 hours ago

    Dude, i have watched every single fnaf vid that you maade so far, and i gotta say, this is the best series ever