Is the Holodeck Actually More Trouble Than It's Worth?

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  • Chloe_speaks
    Chloe_speaks Месяц назад +55

    That holodeck is like Aaron Satie. It wouldn't let you leave until it thought you'd fully explored the issue.

    • Benjamin Seelking
      Benjamin Seelking 19 дней назад

      +Steve Shives "Is Holodeck-Time the Payment for Shipcrews in Star Trek?"

    • Jonathan Hirst
      Jonathan Hirst Месяц назад +3

      So...does that mean that Steve is eventually going to grow up and become an elderly lady who will go on to conduct a series of witch hunts, ruthlessly persecuting people at the slightest provocation?
      And then go berserk when somebody quotes something about the holodec--sorry Steve, my bad--the totally-and-legally-speaking-not-a-holodeck-please-don't-sue-me "holographic simulator", launching into a scathing tirade that exposes him as a paranoid tyrant who spreads fear in the name of righteousness?
      ...Fascinating!
      (Also, excellent video Steve!)

    • Chloe_speaks
      Chloe_speaks Месяц назад +5

      Sorry.

    • Steve Shives
      Steve Shives  Месяц назад +9

      Beautiful.
      Also: "holographic simulator."

  • Orutakawa Teng'a'
    Orutakawa Teng'a' 3 часа назад

    I believe an argument on whether or not the user creates a program for one off jaunts or goes full Barklay can be had here.

  • Dan Skelley
    Dan Skelley 15 часов назад

    The solution is to use Ferengi Holosuites. I'm guessing for liability issues the safety standards are much higher in a society that still has lawsuites.

  • Huron .Blackheart
    Huron .Blackheart 21 час назад

    I've only just realised how little DS9 bothered with the holosuites.

  • Koumakpet
    Koumakpet 22 часа назад

    7:10 I almost stopped the video XD

  • MrEarthling99
    MrEarthling99 День назад

    The holodeck is just Star Trek’s way of saying “They woke up and it was all a dream”.

  • Herman Von Petri
    Herman Von Petri День назад

    Did you know that Ray Bradbury did it first in his 1950 short story "The Velt"? It can be read in the collection "The Illustrated Man." A family lives in a fully automated home with a virtual reality room called "the nursery" that is stuck on a recreation of an African safari program. The parents are anxious about how much time the children are spending in the nursery while replicas of lions stalk around in the distance.
    Spoiler...




    The lions can kill.

  • Brian Griffin
    Brian Griffin День назад

    definitely more trouble than it's worth... far more trouble

  • GWCinstitute
    GWCinstitute День назад

    13:29, "These Jarada are awfully persnickety for a species we never see again." _Actually_ we see the Jarada again in season 2 of Deep Space Nine, in the episode "Vanity's Engine."

  • Nicolai Veliki
    Nicolai Veliki День назад

    Was the Energy Clod that passed through the wash room perhaps a big ole FART?

  • Hanno
    Hanno День назад

    Isnt the holodeck also AI? The programs seem to be capable of reacting to their enviroments and learning from their actions.

  • Meditating Jesus
    Meditating Jesus 2 дня назад

    That deep space 9 episode shows that the holodeck is kind of just a memory card for the transporter .

  • PenumbranWolf
    PenumbranWolf 2 дня назад

    Dat electric bill tho.

  • Tim Christ
    Tim Christ 3 дня назад

    you forgot the part where the holodeck can be used to invent equipment that doesnt exist or hasnt been invented yet, tying it into the ship systems and saving the day with them.. another barkley episode lol

  • cherubin7th
    cherubin7th 3 дня назад

    In Star Trek all technologies try to kill you!

  • Brian Levine
    Brian Levine 3 дня назад

    Is this a real question? Yes, the holodeck should be immediately boarded up for good. Starting from it's initial version on The Animated Series, nearly every holodeck-centric episode shows something going horribly wrong because of it. And when you have program generated characters demanding that they are life forms with rights (and idiots like Picard willing to pander to them), you know you have a problem.

  • john doe
    john doe 4 дня назад

    ummmm...ACTUALLY, you're breaking the copyright laws again by calling your holographic device a "Holographic Simulator". In Star Trek Voyager episode Future's End Part II, Henry Starling refers to his holographic device as a "Holographic Simulator" in which he uses to test his new chip designs or where he materialized the holographic doctor to interrogate him about Captian Janeway's personnel profile.

  • Jarrod Adams
    Jarrod Adams 4 дня назад

    I LOVE the nod to Billy Joel at 21:02!! 😎

  • North-Road Caveman
    North-Road Caveman 4 дня назад

    what about the fact that Voyager's sick bay is pretty much a holodeck
    and their doctor is a hologram

  • Patrick Santucci
    Patrick Santucci 4 дня назад

    Just about fell over laughing when you tried Ctrl-Alt-Del! You should have known that wouldn’t work, though, since the computer you tried it on was a holographic simulation. 😁

  • Storin of Kel
    Storin of Kel 5 дней назад

    lol. I like this episode. At work I once said: Computer Start. The computer turned on. People looked surprised but nobody bothered to look at the floor where the computer is and my foot touching the power button.

  • neonknights
    neonknights 5 дней назад

    In TNG season 2, then story editor Melinda Snodgrass wanted to write an episode in which it turns out the holodeck causes cancer and they stop using it. Honestly, she was very right and I wholeheartedly agree with her.
    Of course, there were some cool holodeck episodes like Elementary, Dear Data or Our Man Bashir, but for the most part, the holodeck was an overused and overally silly plot device. If we need to create another fictional realm inside our fictional realm, that means our fictional realm is not exciting enough in itself. They have the whole galaxy to explore, with all its miriads of wonders, and yet what do they do? Play out a western, a film noir, a spy film, etc. on the holodeck.

  • Ben W
    Ben W 5 дней назад

    Just be very careful if you have a simulation of the African Serenghetti with lions, especially if you have kids. I'm just saying. :D

  • Zon Moy
    Zon Moy 5 дней назад

    about the only real problem with the holodeck is that they are about as glitchy as most computer technologies are now. probably they still have bad programming and user errors as problems even that far into the future.

  • Gryphon Man
    Gryphon Man 5 дней назад

    I'm kinda surprised that Enterprise's alien holodeck adventure never came up. Where Trip gets pregnant after playing in the holodeck.

  • Ward Serpentine
    Ward Serpentine 5 дней назад

    What about the holodeck in Enterprise? You know the one in season 1 when Trip gets pregnant. Wouldn't that be the first appearance of a holodeck, at least in the timeline...

  • Yaldabaoth
    Yaldabaoth 5 дней назад

    Let's take holo technology to the extreme:
    The entire ship is just an engine, weapons, shields, sensors and other essential, technical stuff for interaction with the outside. Everything else is just small rooms. Quarters are 3x3 feet and are shared by 3 crewmen (one for each 8 hour shift). But they are holo technology equipped, making them as big as you want with as much furniture as you want. Or if you don't want to sleep and chill, you order the computer to make your quarter a beach. Or whatever. If no one is home, the computer switches off and saves energy. You can probably cut down on internal space 75% or even more. In one episode of Voyager, the Hirogen had the entire crew in 2 holodecks. Space no longer matters if you have holo tech. A holodoc can do everything. Limited holograms could take over all maintenance work, so cut down on crew as well.
    All in all, holo technology breaks all reality.

  • Reed Reed
    Reed Reed 6 дней назад

    “Captain, the hololdeck is malfunctioning again!”...... “Dam, the last time that happened I got slapped with 8 Paternity Suits!!!” -Zap Brannigan

  • Jeremy Owen
    Jeremy Owen 6 дней назад

    So, I'm at 8:36 and this is literally one of the funniest things I've ever seen. I'm a fan of your work and your analysisisiissis, but this is next level shit.

  • James Georgia
    James Georgia 6 дней назад

    The holodeck is kinda like a nuclear reactor lol

  • Michael Pilling
    Michael Pilling 6 дней назад

    One thing is for certain. Once you invent a holographic reality system, plot logic stops there. How can you have any dramatic tension when you can do anything and anything can happen as a simulation. It's for this reason I hate holodeck episodes. The one exception was the Bride of Chaotica subseries in Voyager. This was a great use of a holodeck in a series because they created a whole different universe in it and those episodes fallowed the laws (in the physics sense) of that universe so there were hard barriers to be overcome.

  • Abdul Fitouri
    Abdul Fitouri 8 дней назад

    This is such a fun one

  • cf84mnN
    cf84mnN 8 дней назад

    I don’t usually comment on videos but I really appreciate and enjoy these. Thank you! I love your insights into Star Trek

  • Racecarlock
    Racecarlock 8 дней назад

    If I had a holodeck, I'd probably just be in an X-wing all day, if I'm honest. Yes, I do like both series, but Star Wars is better for fun, arcade style action.

  • Mandel Harvey
    Mandel Harvey 8 дней назад

    Minorities as mainstream vs minority problems. Aka sisko was white but the church thing turned off the atheist and Archer was a let's just say urban poor in his Galaxy but most folks missed it because of the pale skin. And Janeway was John Wayne doing the manifest destiny thing with a native American sidekick as she went roughshod over the indigenous people of the Delta quadrant taming the savages to federation rules. Discovery is all minority issues down to the lead being felon after having been a human on Vulcan racist and demonstrating bigotry taught her by the racist society she grew up in that oh poop turned out to be right even though it's wrong. There's more race relations in that's show than I'm catching and I'm descendant of slaves and native Americans so you as a white man can teach a lot to your people by just pointing out some of the overt lessons often missed by the masses.

  • Mandel Harvey
    Mandel Harvey 8 дней назад

    Vic Fontaine is a combination of guynan and trois and oddly data with a touch of the Dr from the pike pilot. Most evolutionary character in the franchise.

  • Ryan Cowan-Malloy
    Ryan Cowan-Malloy 9 дней назад

    I always assumed that the holodeck safety protocols failed so often because they were invented by the same person who invented the warp core ejection system.

  • Robert Martin
    Robert Martin 10 дней назад

    That goddamn series finale of Enterprise was such bullshit.

  • Robert Martin
    Robert Martin 10 дней назад

    How do you walk around the giant environments we see without slamming into the wall of the holodeck?

  • binaryalgorithm
    binaryalgorithm 12 дней назад

    Now you have me watching top 20 holodeck episodes...

  • Frag EightyFive
    Frag EightyFive 12 дней назад

    That is actually a pretty legit explanation for discontinuity errors with the holodec.

  • Craig Barron
    Craig Barron 13 дней назад

    Steve, I just finished rewatching DS9 and i agree those 2 episodes are among the best ever. Ingenious use of an overused narrative device

  • Joseph Lieberman
    Joseph Lieberman 14 дней назад

    Moar

  • Salvatron Prime
    Salvatron Prime 15 дней назад

    Can you create a holodeck, INSIDE A HOLODECK?!?!?!?

  • Blue Table Painting
    Blue Table Painting 16 дней назад

    Who cleans up the sperm that's left on the holodeck? Is it just dis-integrated?

  • Derp.
    Derp. 16 дней назад

    Shives is a shit.
    Lol

  • SuperheroinDisguis
    SuperheroinDisguis 17 дней назад

    I know Voyager is by no means your favorite series but I'm kind of surprised that when you were talking about the holodeck being used as a tool to solve problems occurring outside of the holodeck you didn't mention the fifth season Voyager episode 'Nothing Human'. Not only did this episode perfectly demonstrate a proper way to use the holodeck as a resourceful tool it it also showed how the use of that tool could create ethical dilemmas.

  • Andrew Singleton
    Andrew Singleton 18 дней назад

    If you don't mind how gods-damned-horrifyingly energy hungry it is, a holodek as wardrobe or at least fittin room so you can see how a tailored set of clothes will fit and can adjust on the fly withotu ever having to create the stuff would be really interesting.
    Which reminds me of the DS9 episode where quark rented out his holosuite to arms dealers. He wasn't doing anything illegal by the technical letter of the law since all he was doing was providing a place for weapons enthusiasts to try out otherwise strictly controlled armaments your normal law abiding folk has no capacity or reason to use (y'know standard wish fulfilment fantasy there.) Granted Quark slowly grew horrified about his role in the likely genocide of whole populations and ended up stabbing both his cousin Galen and the client in the ass so both thought the other was the traitor but that's besides the point.
    Oooh then ther'es In the Pale Moon Light where Garek fakes a dominion plot to asassinate a high ranking romulan as evidence the romulans should get involved in the war rather than watch from the sidelines (that th original plan failed and they had to go with the backup of exploding the shuttle so that any imperfections in the recording media are attributed to 'the thing it was inside blew up' is again besides the point.
    Plus you have the instances where Nog was both trained and then tested by O'Brian to see if he was starfleet material with Weasley similarly being tested.
    The Holodeck/suite does give a very interesting set of possibilities beyond pure escapism.

  • rarrmonkey
    rarrmonkey 18 дней назад

    Voyager, missed the emh under the tools section and Hirogen story lines...

  • JoeyTheRedKangaroo
    JoeyTheRedKangaroo 18 дней назад

    The Holodeck should just be work tool and nothing more. Also why were the federation ok with those people messing up their ship. It is like oh these people irked us up. Let's try to be friends with them. I hope the founders took them out.

  • Toa Nethos
    Toa Nethos 19 дней назад

    I kept thinking the twist of this episode was that when steve made the holographic version of his trek actually desk, it had been a photo with him in it, and we'd been watching a holographic steve this whole time, and that the actual steve would come back, end the program and the steve we were watching would vanish.

  • consciousnick -
    consciousnick - 19 дней назад

    Can you impregnate a woman in there and leave the program open long enough to raise a human to old age ?

  • jmcentyre99
    jmcentyre99 19 дней назад

    Speaking of technology going awry, this video is paired with an ad for a Tomi Lahren event. Really well-targeted there.

  • Kryptnyt
    Kryptnyt 19 дней назад

    I don't envy the janitor that has to clean all of the semen out of the holodeck

  • TheAllaksion
    TheAllaksion 19 дней назад

    ABSOLUTELY. As soon as a hologram can take over the flagship of the federation or an enemy can trap a crew in a world war 2 reenactment just stop. Uninstall.

  • rodjacksonxatgmail
    rodjacksonxatgmail 20 дней назад

    It's kind of strange that ST:TNG has this technology, but that the ship (or really every Federation ship) isn't 80% holodeck.
    Seriously, why go through the trouble of creating desks and tables for schools, workstations, conference rooms, or anything else non-critical, when you can just have empty rooms that can create any of that, or anything else you want on demand?
    Might have prompted mankind to actually design the tech so it no longer malfunctioned (at least not as badly.)

  • Wil Manric
    Wil Manric 20 дней назад

    Okay, I agree (though I am only about 55% of the way through the vid) The holodecks ARE a potential problem. Would, in fact, the solution to be to warn everyone "This program is only intended for recreation, education and amusement. Therefore, please confine you programs to porn, porn, more porn, and nature vids. Thank you."

  • Wil Manric
    Wil Manric 20 дней назад

    ...and then he does the "three fingered salute" (Ctrl-Alt-Delete) but to no avail....

  • Wil Manric
    Wil Manric 20 дней назад

    7:25 An "uh-oh" moment....

  • Kelly Karjola
    Kelly Karjola 20 дней назад

    My favorite Star Trek episodes are: Holodeck episodes, time travel episodes and cross over ones where characters from other Trek shows makes a special guest appearance..

  • Kelly Karjola
    Kelly Karjola 21 день назад

    He dose not like Star Trek Voyager because what happened in one episode, dose not effect the other episodes but that is exactly what happened in the Next Generation..

  • martijn van weele
    martijn van weele 21 день назад

    I love how everyone absolutely adores DS9 even though it subverts, deconstructs, averts or even straight up throws out of the window basically everything that made Trek Trek up until that point...

  • happyogre
    happyogre 21 день назад

    You forgot to mention the holodeck is used by the ship's computer, as a representation of it's conscience/intelligence?, to create life(which we never hear about again, you'd think Star Fleet would be all over that to study!). All aboard, for Vertiform City! S7E23.

  • GamerFromJump
    GamerFromJump 21 день назад

    Seriously, just get a Switch and a PlayStation.

  • I'am a Redguard!
    I'am a Redguard! 22 дня назад

    You bought it from a Ferengi, didn't you?

  • PocketBrain
    PocketBrain 22 дня назад

    The Holodeck is a death trap!! I have always said that my first action as captain would be to swing by the sun and beam the holodeck right into the sun itself. Even when it is correctly functioning, it is often used for nefarious purposes.
    Install a gym and rec. room, and if they really want danger, a Parrises Squares court.
    Also, props for the Billy Joel quote.

  • Al Somethin
    Al Somethin 22 дня назад

    It is more trouble thst its worth for the guy that had to clean up a all the jizz left behind from all the fantacy sex and porn cum to life where you can also get a bad case of holodick

  • The Doctor
    The Doctor 23 дня назад

    Play Fallout survival mode on holodeck

  • Jackson RoyKirk
    Jackson RoyKirk 23 дня назад +1

    Very good video.... congrats Steve for your work. The next topic is very interesting. Thanks.

  • Steve Pounder
    Steve Pounder 23 дня назад

    If there was several thousand people people aboard the enterprise but only a few holodecks how often did one get to use it?

  • Nathan Lee
    Nathan Lee 24 дня назад

    Also be careful. The previous owner probably didn't have a holodeck janitor www.somethingawful.com/news/blue-stripe-life-4/

  • Hywel ap Dafydd
    Hywel ap Dafydd 26 дней назад

    "I always wanted a big-ass closet"

  • Michael Clark
    Michael Clark 26 дней назад

    1:40 no....end of video LOL

  • TheGadgetPanda
    TheGadgetPanda 26 дней назад

    All they needed was a physical power switch and/or door handle, and the Holodeck would never have been a problem again.

  • Daxx Mason
    Daxx Mason 26 дней назад

    As someone who just recently started watching some startrek (voyager got me into it, now watching TNG and Enterprise from time to time) id appreciate a kinda comparison/list of the ships by a fan who knows more. Like how many enterprises and stuff like that type of thing.

  • Steam Punkster
    Steam Punkster 26 дней назад

    For a minute there, I thought you are going to reenact Devo's Timeout for Fun music video.

  • verdantstar
    verdantstar 26 дней назад

    Murder box 😂

  • Nathan Lee
    Nathan Lee 26 дней назад

    "inescapable murder box" perfectly sums up the holodeck. Thank you Steve. This is the content I love seeing from you. You really know how to reach your audience!

  • Vyl Bird
    Vyl Bird 27 дней назад

    How to fix the holodeck:
    1. No disabling the safety protocols without command level authorisation.
    2. Failsafe: If the safety protocols are disabled otherwise, cut all power.
    3. Install half-hour timer circuit on the wall outside the holodeck. If timer expires, freeze program and open exit. If program is still running after one minute, cut power.
    4. Install service panel on the floor ouside the holodeck with a mechanical switch in the power lines.
    5. Hard-code emergency shutdown command into a voice recognition system independent of the main computer.
    6. Paint a nice decorative mural on the wall outside the holodeck. Do not store this mural in the ship's computer.
    There. Now it's safe, and all the drama is gone. The writers will have to find a new source of danger.

  • 20x20
    20x20 27 дней назад

    hologram up some tools and build something!

  • Karth38
    Karth38 28 дней назад

    I swear, every video you are looking more and more like Kevin Smith

  • Malt454
    Malt454 28 дней назад

    It's a great plot device but, in order for it to BE a great plot device, it has to pose real threats that simply wouldn't be tolerated in the name of public safety, much less on any service vessel. A computer as smart as the one on the Enterprise would have buffers that would immediately recognize phrasing dangerous to personnel - "create an adversary capable of defeating Data" - and disallow it, and taking any safety protocols off would require authorization from two or more command-level officers and to be witnessed by others. Taking safety protocols off would be a big deal, because it could result in death or injury of key personnel; it wouldn't be something that could be done simply as part of some recreational pastime.

  • Thezuule
    Thezuule Месяц назад

    Before watching this video I'm going to answer No. Absolutely not. The holodeck is cool to the degree that any amount of trouble is worth it. If my opinion changes at the end of this I'll let you know. ;)

  • Brigadier X PIRA
    Brigadier X PIRA Месяц назад

    Cmdr Tucker of Enterprise got Pregnant in a Foreign Holodeck...definitely more trouble than its worth

  • Brigadier X PIRA
    Brigadier X PIRA Месяц назад

    Worst Holodeck Program...Voyager's Flotter..Treebeard and the Ogre of Fire..

  • Sgt Fox
    Sgt Fox Месяц назад

    The whole "I need to finish this video..." thing was straight up genius

  • Frogwell
    Frogwell Месяц назад

    answer: YES!! YES IT FUCKING IS!!

  • Rob Berra
    Rob Berra Месяц назад

    ToS episode "Shore Leave" is kind of like a lower-tech version of the "holo-catastrophe" concept.

  • wayner396
    wayner396 Месяц назад

    Fun episode. I really enjoyed it.
    I'm guessing this might have been inspired by some Random Trek episodes where they mention some of these issues. 😉

  • KooriShukuen
    KooriShukuen Месяц назад +1

    Not just the safety of the crew, but the safety of these sentient beings the holodeck has summoned into existence! If androids and holograms can have rights in the Federation, who speaks up for holodeck characters??

  • Cole TV
    Cole TV Месяц назад

    Wasn't there an episode of Voyager where it was mentioned the holosuite power was incompatible with the rest of the ship. Seems stupid if that logic extended to the rest of the ships with it.

    • Vyl Bird
      Vyl Bird 27 дней назад

      But not unreasonable. Even electrical power comes in many forms - differing voltages, frequencies, control protocols, single and multi-phase systems. It seems quite plausible that the holodeck is just produced by a different manufacturer, and so requires it's own little mini-substation so that holodeck power cannot be diverted elsewhere without substantial rewiring.

  • axllebeer
    axllebeer Месяц назад

    Ohh next month should be pretty interesting.

  • Alastair Drong
    Alastair Drong Месяц назад

    Ah! I was hoping you'd mention the time that Barkley made a computer/brain interface in the holodeck.

  • Questionable Commands
    Questionable Commands Месяц назад

    7:05 You need to type ":wq" if you want to save your progress or ":q!" to reset back to where it was when you started.

  • FRANK SMITH
    FRANK SMITH Месяц назад

    Speaking of the holodeck, you need an episode devoted to if Geordi is a creep. His actions re: the Brahms hologram and his reaction when confronted are pretty cringe worthy by today's (and I assume Starfleet's standards)

  • The Nothing Nobody
    The Nothing Nobody Месяц назад +2

    My thought is...if holodeck technology is widespread enough, then honestly, things like housing and the like basically go out the (holographic) window. Because all you would need is the space, power, and computers for them, and long as you did, you could not have to worry about anything else beyond food or things that had to be replicated or produced.
    Think about like having whole small cities built in pure holographic form, taking up only a small fraction of the space of a real city, able to have whatever climates and conditions you could possibly want for any species. I could totally see this being the case for certain embassies on Earth, for species that cannot live in more 'standard' conditions, and requiring special living arrangements, a holographic embassy could be immensely useful for such things.
    I could totally see a civilization that had to build such holodecks on their planet when it suffered a huge disaster, and what members managed to survive, did so and lived for possibly whole generations in their large-scale holodecks before being found by the crew and helped to try and make their world livable again.
    Let alone having 'luxury' holodecks for a single person to have a whole large manor, land, planet, or otherwise whole and very literal virtual realities built inside of a complex and advanced enough holodeck.

  • John Overton
    John Overton Месяц назад

    Does a holographic simulator simulate Holograms

  • Wallace
    Wallace Месяц назад

    I wonder if the Holodeck runs on Windows or Mac OS ... ?

  • RedwoodTheElf
    RedwoodTheElf Месяц назад

    The Rec Room is a holodeck. Let's just nip that argument in the bud. TAS is about as canon as you can get, since it was produced by Gene Friggin Roddenberry. And had all the same characters (except Chekov for some reason) and took place on the same ship.
    And thing going outside the Holodeck is explained easily enough when you consider that some items (Food, for example) are created in the Holodeck using replicator technology and "Beamed in" where they're needed, and "Beamed out" when the simulation ends, reduced to energy. It's not ALL holograms, just MOSTLY holograms. Thus the replicated water and snow, and the Enterprise drawing Data walked out with, were real, replicator-created objects. The writers simply never bothered to explain it and stopped having things able to exit the holodeck.
    There's my No-Prize application for the week.

  • Ben Roberts
    Ben Roberts Месяц назад

    Toolshed is perfect! Just fill it with holographic tools. Bring real wood in, cut it, leave with the real cut pieces. End program and clean up the sawdust, no physical tool storage required!

    • Vyl Bird
      Vyl Bird 27 дней назад

      You're thinking too small. If you can simulate tools, you can simulate machines. Just throw your wood through the door, let the holographic robotic cutting machines do their work, and wait for it to spit chopped wood out.