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Forgive me for getting deep in the meaning but...I think Greta is a species of alien that must have much more empathy than humans, maybe even 100% empathy which would explain why she is so advanced and adware, plus her mind control ability. The mistake people make about this is I think this us not a simulation at all, just "basic" mind reading which the alien can manipulate, and all we are seeing at the end of the episode is a pure, selfless caring creature, which is so hard for humans to grasp. Really sad and eye opening if u think about it.
@Alastair Cameron ah I figured maybe it was the name of the book, not the story. If it's a short story, I thought there would be multiple shorts in the book as a whole
@carterjeremy89 that's the name of the story!
@Alastair Cameron I'll have to check it out. What's the name of the story?
@carterjeremy89 yeah it's called Beyond the Aquila Rift it's a short story - only about 25 pages long
@Alastair Cameron What a big heart she has.. There's a book??
One thing that I think people should realise is that in the book, Greta is never actually described as being a spider, this is just how the LDR artists translated her onto the screen. Because of this, many people assume that she's a predator and feasts upon her prey all the while placing them in some sort of dreamlike state - perhaps sapping their mental energy. This is not the case. Greta is described as being a benevolent, emotionally intelligent caretaker, capable of the highest form of empathy, likely due to her powers of telepathy. She recognises that people who end up where she is have no chance of ever making it back home, and that hundreds of years have passed. Therefore, she places the lost souls into a dreamlike state, so they might have a more peaceful death, unaware that they are lost in the deepest part of space with no chance of survival. She also knows her true form is too terrifying for humans to possibly comprehend, and speaks of how others who have awoken have gone mad or committed suicide. Indeed, the Blue Goose is actually the first human ship to ever become stranded there (all others have been alien crafts). However, she is also lonely, and offers each person the opportunity to awaken and see their true surroundings, perhaps hoping that one day they will not judge her based upon her horrifying physique. The two other crewmates both died when paint they had drawn on their pods reacted to their hypersleep chambers being used for so long, essentially poisoning them both. The Netflix adaption makes it seem like Greta had eaten them, when in reality, they were already dead. I hope this clarifies some of the ambiguity of the Netflix adaptation.
Just date the spider, you fucking coward
I know I’m late to the party but a movie of this would be great imagine if it’s was the crew trying to get out and or making a living on the ship and during it people die from like old age or accidents just in the end the main character who looks pretty old in the end wasn’t old at all finds out that his wife was a monster that try’s to comfort the crew before they die from melnorish making it seem like time went by so long in there head but in reality was only two weeks and the crew members who died naturally died because of starvation
Ignorance is bliss.
I understand the alien but what the hell happened to the space itself?
Nice. Free sex.
Got some dead space vibes from this one somehow
Two of my favorite SUBTLE details I didn’t catch til about the 4th watch was the alien changes the scenario minutely and “Greta” walks in and greets him on his left where initially it was his right at the beginning as to ensuring the fantasy is never second guessed The second detail being how the second time around the pain in her voice and face when she goes “hey thom” and “it’s good to see you”.....what a short but effective episode :) did better in minutes what event horizon did at full length 😬
When in doubtPaper bag it
This is Camille Paglia's book Sexual Personae in a nutshell...
Imagine if someone knew you as well as you know yourself - all your memories, experiences and feelings. They would feel all the trauma that you do when this happens. She's done it so many times
reality is often disappointing.
I think she/they enjoy learning about alien life the same way we do. But if you'er stuck in the middle of space you still have to eat! Here's an interesting question what would the human race do in the reverse situation? If we had nothing but horrible looking aliens life sent our way. I think we would study some, learn to love some and eat some.
Bro imagine if video games look this good
That was . . . scary!
Like many others have said the creature is guardian wanting to give the stranded a peaceful passing within the illusion rather than leave them to die a slow painful death from starvation/dehydration. Not only that but she also uses the illusion because the stranded are too small minded to see past her lovecraftian appearance. It's easy for someone to take one look at her true form and go "AGH! Help! Run! A big scary ugly alien and it's gonna eat me!"
It’s fucked up because he really has no choice to accept the fake reality. If he tries to fight it he’s just going to wake up to himself starving to death as he can’t even stand up. This would be such a bad trip
Watched this at 2 am with a friend who what hed it already. After that part I looked at him and asked, "you expect me to go to sleep after that?"
This episode gives me chills every time
It makes you wonder what is out there in space. Those kind of creatures and places might really exist in our universe
Yeah, and to us, they are terrifying, but to them, they could be beautiful.
Spider has puss puss?
The main character is racist the spider just wanted to give home a home.
Bruh, tell me if you woke up feeling starved and dehydrated, barely able to stand up, and see that thing walking towards you. It hits our instinctual human fears. You'd be scared too mdude.
So did he fuck a spider
Guys, is you have questions about plot - just read novel Beyond the Aquila Rift by Alastair Reynolds. Movie based on it!
Potatoes English explanation :For those who have not understood yet, this is all about the religion called « catholicism ».This is a sci-fi version of the lambs, a place beteween heaven and hell for children who has not been baptised. The lost soul.The spider is a copy of the virgin mary who takes care of the humankind’s. That’s why there is so much religious symbols in the entire episode.Stange serie btw. I feel something really morbid in it.
Honestly I'd rather smash the alien itself
The music enhanced this episode so much... I’ve never felt this feeling before
Its from an outer limits episode lmao
Greta looks like an alien anus with the heart of an angel.
I don’t think he should have been able to walk in his emaciated state
yer average night in the warp
Slaanesh faps over this episode
Luis Dewitt ¿que tal si haces una colaboración con TL2bie?
When I first saw the ending I thought Tom was in Hell.
I'd wake up. Eat some leftovers from my ship and the other ships and just try to live in real life. Greta though looks like monster from Earth's standards I'd get over it after the initial shock.
1:17 you can see something starting to ooze from what might be her tear canals. We can assume this due to this creature having different biology.I do not believe that this creature is malevolent in the slightest. It has the ability to read minds, which could be a result of the advanced empathy it possessed, much more so than anything in human imagination. I would presume that reading a creatures mind would require the highest degree of empathy and advanced intelligence.I believe that she was the first of the lost souls to end up there, so she more than anyone else understand their predicament. I would want Alastair Reynolds to expand on this more!
Everybody laying the fuck down. Nobody ready for that shit
Best episode of the whole series.
I like how the episode ends with a “living in the shadows”
Greta screamsThom screamsI screamStole it from someone. Hehe
Pale Embers from me
Greta is my waifu
Best ending scene...
kill it with fire
I wonder when she says "I care for all the lost souls that end up here" if it can also be interpreted as her saying she's a custodian not that she necessarily has empathy for them.
One thing that was omitted from the show is why no one can go back (other than the time and resource requirements). There were hubs of sender units throught the galaxy, created by an unknown race. Each hub was in a "bubble" of lower mass density than the background, allowing for easier jump routes due to less interference. The hubs were initially connected, but over the course of time, stars shifted and many connections (including all the routes between hubs) were lost. Some senders drifted beyond the bubbles and got lost out in the middle of nowhere. Occasionally, a glitch in the sender network allowed for a route connection to be made with a lost sender unit. The story doesnt explicitly say why, but it implies this is a consequence of the fact that the network was designed to operate as a fully integrated whole (rather than disconnected hubs), and that glitches allowing unwanted remote connections occurred when the system tried to return to its base operating protocol, or when galactic shift enabled temporary reconnections among senders. However, travel among senders creates "turbulence" that can damage ships if the course is not correctly plotted.This is what happened to the crew and all the other castaways from alien races. An accidental connection to a lost sender occurred, but due to the rough course plotting and duration of the jumps, the trip would tear ships apart, such that they were inoperative upon arrival at the hive. And because the lost sender was so far away, it was completely disconnected from any other hub, so it could not be used to go home. Further, they cant settle on any nearby star systems because the lost sender is 1/2 light year from the nearest star, which is too far for sublight travel. Also, the star is a brown dwarf that will not have any inhabitable planets. So they are all stranded with nowhere to go.
I think that Greta is supposed to be an empathetic creature, otherwise her appearance wouldn't make sense. Her abominable physiology was designed to be a stark contrast to her compassion; probably a main theme of the story and not to mention that the scenario where Greta keeps Tom there just to be consumed is too unimaginative since the story would become a simple horror tale.
My favorite episode!!Powerful and scary throughout . Especially the ending!I saw this episode several times!
Poor Greta, having to do this simulation with so many other people. She can never fully interact with them or help keep them alive so all she can do is stay in the shadows and keep them happy.
How the hell does he stand up so easily when he’s THAT weak and malnourished.He’s skinnier than me, for crying out loud!
he didn't stand up easily. He needed to support his entire weight on his pod with his left hand and then he limped. Dude barely was able to move.
am i something wrong ? i still want this girl after seeing truth. back to the dream.
Empathy my ass ! That creature suck dry his life in reality but also make a beautiful illusion about it , just like muder in her own paradise . It’s not caring or loving , that’s a bullshit lies they made out of it ! Well the background music when he met her says it all , he’s just being fooled by things called love :)
I would be scared too of that spider even though if i lnow it doesnt want to do any harm i mean just look at it.Oh GAWD its the first time i know true fear.
Same. Even looking at it makes me sick, irl I would probably pass out the second I saw it.
This was my absolute FAVORITE episode.Talk about a mind fuck
One thing that confuses me is that she genuinely seems to care for the "lost souls", however, they all seem to be caught in a trap of her own making. I guess we can only speculate as to how she arrived there, her motivations etc
You people that actually think Greta is... "consuming" them, are ridiculous. If her motivation was to consume them what benefit does keeping them docile/entranced in a perfect peaceful scenario give to her? She could easily kill Tom, considering he's weak and emaciated...if it was as simple as her consuming them she would've done it already. There is no reason to keep them alive and ease their suffering, if that were the case. The only other logical explination is that she is a truly benevolent and empathetic creature and her intentions are completely pure...she is merely trying to bring peace to their inevitable and shocking end. (starving to death on an anomalous space station, hundreds of light years from earth, with no real explanation as to how/why they got there ...)
Think of it as living on a farm, and playing with your favorite pig, which you name Emma. You like Emma, but you know deep down that its not gonna last, and you're gonna have to eat at some point. So, you give Emma what comfort you can before the day comes.
Never look your food in the eye lmao.
Is that Hugh jackman ?
Song name in the end?
@DaTardis F4 Thank you :D
Living in the Shadows