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  • John L
    John L Day ago

    Dude you said the Cup2 tires are "not the end all be all"... bla bla... man look at YOUR tire wear, I can tell you do no know how to drive... I am not going to tell how to correct your driving... you can spend the money witht race instructor at a driving school.. Douse the tire as an excuse for the way you drive that car! I mean its only a Lotus, not even a heavy car ....wow ..

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein Day ago

      John L never had this with other makes of tyre so I thought it worth sharing. The tyre was designed to be swapped over side to side, my mistake was failing to do that. Easily corrected and I think also worth sharing.

  • Mark Anderson
    Mark Anderson 2 days ago

    Great review. Accessible car and i guess its got a lot of things to live up to.

  • Vasek Cekan
    Vasek Cekan 2 days ago

    I did notice that but I also noticed that on yours and mine the second groove has a slightly different color which could be a different compound for that groove

  • josef nirschl
    josef nirschl 7 days ago

    two big boys, the smile in her face is brilliant thanks LOTUS

  • Alan Betts
    Alan Betts 8 days ago

    The very spirited driving I mentioned below was playing with the original 911 turbo four speed. The road was a long, fairly straight dual carriageway with roundabouts roughly every half to three quarters of a mile. So long hard braking to maybe 20 or 25 mph for the roundabouts and then accelerate up to a three figure speed and repeat. On exiting the roundabouts the Esprit would pull away from the 911 but once it was into third gear and on boost the 911 turbo would come past like a freight train. I could reel in most or all of the Porsche''s advantage under braking; or I could until the brakes went away. In a world of Escorts and Metros in the 80's that 911 was the only car I came across in seven years that could match the Esprit turbo's performance. From memory the 911 Turbo had 300 bhp and weighed a bit more.

  • Alan Betts
    Alan Betts 8 days ago

    Stock tyre sizes are 195/60 and 235/60. Stock brakes are a weak point. I could get the brakes to fade, vibrate and make noise with very spirited road use. I ovehauled the whole system with new discs, stock pads, all caliper seals and braided brake lines. It made no difference to the issue of fade. In stock form I think the brakes would be dead within a few laps on a track with repeated high speed braking. I suspected that part, but not all, of the problem is that the rear brakes don't get much airflow mounted inboard in the engine bay with an undertray.

  • rnrsteev
    rnrsteev 10 days ago

    The Flames !!!

  • DrPittenstein
    DrPittenstein 12 days ago

    Find out what happened next here. ru-clip.com/video/DpfsKJhKFts/video.html

  • Brad_0
    Brad_0 15 days ago

    Keep swapping between an exige v6 and a elise sport 220 for my next daily. Elise will be cheaper on parts and easier to navigate speed bumps, but these exige are something special. Any thoughts please?

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 15 days ago

      Brad_0 If you’re not power and straight line performance obsessed (most are!) the Elise is even more pure, delicate and communicative. Exige has slightly better refinement (smoother engine, more torque, taller gearing) for longer trips and the V6 sounds a lot better giving you more of a compact exotic car experience. Performance is very exciting but a 220 Elise is more than fast enough for road driving. No easy answer I’m afraid both are wonderful, inspiring drivers cars. Elise might have the edge as a daily, smaller, better rear visibility, easy to get in and out with the roof off.

  • Techy D
    Techy D 16 days ago

    Fiery indeed! A great upgrade 😃

  • Mychael Parsons
    Mychael Parsons 16 days ago

    I have to say, it’s incredible how fast these cars can go around corners. Considering they don’t even have slick tyres

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 16 days ago

      The car lapped Brands Hatch Indy in 48.6 on worn tyres. On slicks it could easily be a 46 something. You need something with wings to lap faster. This car lapped Spa in 2.35, again on treaded tyres. Still find it hard to believe myself!

  • Ben Cheesecake
    Ben Cheesecake 16 days ago

    Those wheel inputs certainly make it look a handful; seems mad indeed. less feisty may be faster but I guess it's a Caterham thing

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 16 days ago

      Ben Cheesecake that was the first session in the car Darren was just feeling it out. We’ve come a long way on set up since then thanks to him and Gary at Boss Racing.

  • Juma Ali
    Juma Ali 17 days ago

    Wow simply wow

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 14 days ago

      Similar power to before but all happens at lower rpm. Boost is now just 1bar and max rpm is 7400. The 2.0 was 1.4 bar and 8600rpm, exciting but didn't last as you can see! This is also just a starting point we are going to try methanol injection to keep inlet temps down and could easily increase boost for more power but reliability must come first. Will need to get traction control working too for more power, at the moment it fries the tyres in 2nd gear without it. More power would mean wheelspin in 3rd and would be slower out of corners. Corner speed is much more important than bhp for laptime as you know.

  • 1994joao
    1994joao 17 days ago

    In the words of Mr Jeremy Clarkson: “What a machine!”

  • Mark B
    Mark B 17 days ago

    Think I saw this car pictured next the to the word 'deadly' in the dictionary... :D

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 17 days ago

      Mark B set up is much improved since this video was taken thankfully, power comes in smoothly with this type of supercharger, it’s much more progressive than a turbo making the same power.

  • Leo R
    Leo R 24 days ago

    So a week ago I swapped my merc in for an ST3. Got to say I am very impressed. Wasn’t the car I went to buy at all but glad I did!

  • Mixworks
    Mixworks 26 days ago

    I'm seeing the same happen to the Pilot Super Sport actually. A good deal more wear on the left than on the right.

  • Tomo Slack
    Tomo Slack 28 days ago

    My dad went to the 1989 german gp, he said the cars sounded amazing, but said that the ferarri v12s were just something else!! compared their sound to getting a large jar of wasps, shaking it up (to piss them off) and chuck a large megaphone on it. Must have been incredible to watch, and listen!

  • Sam 05
    Sam 05 28 days ago

    I don’t really like the evora. My dad has an exige cup which I like the look of much more

  • Anthony Boyne
    Anthony Boyne Month ago

    power unknown ?? well how has it been mapped on a dyno ??

    • Anthony Boyne
      Anthony Boyne 29 days ago

      @DrPittenstein I'm not convinced the 620r is the claimed 311bhp, especially with that extra Silencer on the back.

    • Anthony Boyne
      Anthony Boyne 29 days ago

      @DrPittenstein I've not noticed a drop off in power at all on track but there could well be. I've not heard of any detonating yet, lol.

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 29 days ago

      Anthony Boyne not convinced the 620r runs cool for very long when used hard on track. This car has a much bigger intercooler + water injection and was getting up past 60C inlet on track.

    • Anthony Boyne
      Anthony Boyne 29 days ago

      @DrPittenstein it's interesting how they had issue with charge temps when the 650r runs cool.

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein Month ago

      Anthony Boyne it was dyno’d numerous times before I bought the car but I didn’t want to quote unreliable numbers based on rumour and hearsay. There were many different claims for this car one of which was that they had to slow it down with a larger pulley as it frightened the original owner too much. I have since had it dyno’d twice more on that in the next video.

  • happydollar1982
    happydollar1982 Month ago

    Aerodynamic like a brick!

  • Ed Wilko
    Ed Wilko Month ago

    Impressive but all that effort for 340ish bhp, evo engine is 400bhp reliable power with hapf the tech.

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 28 days ago

      @Ed Wilko In my opinion time attack is qualifying, nothing wrong with that I think it's a great form of motorsport but you don't see many flyweight cars in it plus we're not allowed to race with aero parts (unfortunately), the ones used in time attack are massive!

    • Ed Wilko
      Ed Wilko 28 days ago

      @DrPittenstein time attack is racing

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 29 days ago

      Ed Wilko lots of fun no doubt, but won’t win many races which involve going around corners. This car was built to race, not just showboat on trackdays.

    • Ed Wilko
      Ed Wilko 29 days ago

      @DrPittenstein isnt that part of the fun 4th gear wheel spin when being silly. Love the 1300bhp time attack evos out there, just coner eating bonkersness 😁

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein Month ago

      Ed Wilko well aware of that, had a TME myself, but rally cars are much heavier and have 4WD, tuned for mid range punch which is too spikey for a light car (500kg vs 1500kg) boost comes on too suddenly, would be slower around a track as a result as you couldn’t use all the torque exiting corners, it comes in one big surge which would overwhelm the tyres. Power delivery affects light cars much more. Brands Indy as seen in the video barely has a straight, the whole lap is cornering. Seriously don’t think it would get 400bhp down there. Car has moved on a lot since the last video, hope to bring an update soon.

  • Filippo Profeta
    Filippo Profeta Month ago

    Unica e sola lancia capolavoro solo italiano ❤ non c'e auto assoluta

  • michaelpsmusic
    michaelpsmusic Month ago

    It may need no words, but it needs more engine sounds! Otherwise, great video of one of the most beautiful cars ever.

  • 1000smoove
    1000smoove Month ago

    The issue with the low lighted AC button has been fixed with the new one. 😉 I suggest to put a protection foil on the front clam of mine. What do you think, are there more stone chips on a Lotus than on other cars? Or did you get them at the racetracks mostly?

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein Month ago

      being so low they do get more stone chips than most other cars, well worth protecting, I'm glad I put ppf on mine.

  • nic Smitty
    nic Smitty Month ago

    Bruh this is buntas car that should be included on the list right well time to find out.

  • jogu123
    jogu123 Month ago

    ...do you have an opinion on the Exige Roadster feature? I like open top driving but from what I could read top speed is either limited or, if you go for the Coupe conversion, you loose aerodynamics?!?

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein Month ago

      Exige Roadster is the nicest Exige of all for road use, in my opinion. Hardly any about though, very hard to find. Aero wasn't massive on the 'coupe' anyway so the loss isn't great esp for road use. Speed is limited to stop the soft top blowing off but I never exceeded 150mph in my Exige in 5 years so wouldn't have been a problem for me.

  • donphobos
    donphobos Month ago

    I have missed this video, but has watched it now. Very good comparison. You have the experience from track days and the driving skills to put your finger on the small details that normal drivers would probably miss due to not coming near to the limits of the vehicles. From the two I would pick the Exige, love the Lotus philosophy.

  • Techy D
    Techy D Month ago

    Basically shed money now but my 2002 ST170 that I had from new was a great daily - and the ride was ideal. Only real criticisms I had with that was the long gearing and lowish torque (so you can imagine I never had any problems with torque steer!) but nevertheless a great b-road drive and had very strong brakes to boot!

  • John Mitchell
    John Mitchell Month ago

    So you wanted a daily, modern, reliable hatch back with some performance that wont drink fuel and you prefer RWD. BMW 130i with the 2.0 turbo that also produces 250hp. Available in 3 or 5 door models.

    • John Mitchell
      John Mitchell Month ago

      @DrPittenstein Every new BMW model from 2019 has these silly huge front grilles as well.

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein Month ago

      John Mitchell I’d like to try one for sure. Can’t believe BMW have gone fwd for the new 1 series, which also looks hideous to me, it will be interesting to see how well it sells.

  • machidaman
    machidaman Month ago

    I struggle with epas. I have an STi RA with hydraulic steering (quick rack) and it is outsanding. Also have a Cooper S with epas and it's ok but really does lack feedback and it does blunt the experience when pressing on (though not quite as much as those sodding run flats).

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein Month ago

      machidaman car makers are getting away with it because not enough people care or know the difference. Still waiting to try an EPAS with great steering.

  • Lorenzo Clara
    Lorenzo Clara Month ago

    Just put in a mechanical lsd, not a torsen one but with disks. It will be like glue in the corners

    • MrSunnyBhoy
      MrSunnyBhoy Month ago

      hyundai i30n

    • Lorenzo Clara
      Lorenzo Clara Month ago

      @DrPittenstein I would try powerflex bushings. I have a gpunto abarth with around 280hp and 350nm. Not a lot of torque but still I have some reactions from 6k to 7krpm, because my boost is by rpm, not with it's peak at let's say at 4k and going down from it. Some reactions are normal with high numbers fwd cars.. for me it's also fun

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein Month ago

      Lorenzo Clara grip is already strong it’s the way the power corrupts the steering that I don’t like.

  • Keitumetse Mabuza

    Great vid, I thought the ride was softer

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein Month ago

      Keitumetse Mabuza thanks, I’m sure the ride would be better on 18” wheels, this car has the optional 19”.

  • Juma Ali
    Juma Ali Month ago

    My thoughts on the 2013 Focus ST after about 186,000 miles daily use, is its good its ok

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein Month ago

      Juma Ali a much more thorough test! Great daily driver for sure.

  • Craig Yirush
    Craig Yirush Month ago

    But if it was RWD would it still be a hot hatch? The genre seems to be defined by FWD (dynamic limits notwithstanding). Re the steering - my Giulia is similar: wonderfully light and accurate but insulated from any sense of the road, or what the tires are doing.

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein Month ago

      Craig Yirush 4WD seems to be accepted among hot hatches but I can’t think of a hatch that wouldn’t have been improved by RWD. The few that were RWD (eg Lotus Sunbeam, BMW 140, Clio V6) were all great.

  • Onur Rud.
    Onur Rud. Month ago

    The only rwd hatch comes to my mind is previous gen 1-Series BMW.

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein Month ago

      Yes, just like me! :( shame there weren't more RWD hot hatches. I would like to try a BMW M140, I like the idea a lot.

    • Onur Rud.
      Onur Rud. Month ago

      @DrPittenstein They are ancient :)

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein Month ago

      Onur Rud. Lotus Sunbeam, Clio V6, Toyota AE86 👍

  • RS2Russ
    RS2Russ Month ago

    So it's basically a pretty crap FWD "hot" hatch. Same as every Ford since the early 80s then :-)

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein Month ago

      RS2Russ worse it seems to be a backwards step from the Mk2 RS. I had a 90’s RS 2000 and that was much better too but had a lot less torque of course. Tuning for mid range with a turbo gives the front tyres a hard time.

  • Adam Kelsall
    Adam Kelsall Month ago

    I find myself watching 250 Cup videos after selling the 2-11. It could be the ideal road & track car for me. In toxic green

    • Adam Kelsall
      Adam Kelsall Month ago

      DrPittenstein I felt the 211 in the dry at least had too much grip. It’s the Lotus way. Might be fun in a 250 cup to fit Michelin’s PS4 tyres like in the Alpine A110 and get it moving about at lower speeds. With the 250 Cup I see it as 90% of what the 211 offered on track with 100% more road usability and I could even take the roof off. Win, win. And yes I’m having huge withdrawals!!!

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein Month ago

      Sounds like withdrawal is kicking in! The 250 Cups are very quick on the road and very durable track cars, running costs put an Exige to shame. Sport 220 or older Elise might be more playful though perhaps. Cup 250s just stick and don't let go. Downforce is proper too, 67kg at 100mph, more than any of the Exiges. Even Cup 430 Exige makes 57kg @100mph. Should offer much better residuals than most of the alternatives too.

  • Stradman channel
    Stradman channel Month ago

    Wow. Really? I guess this explains why cars like this are not faster around places like SS and Spa than I thought they should be compared to my 996.2 GT3 Clubsport which with full tank of petrol(80 liters) and aircon(of course) weighs 1345kgs. With a tune running 410hp now I see why Evoras wouldn't be faster than the old girl. I wonder what a 430 cup exige with full tank weighs

    • Stradman
      Stradman Month ago

      Evora 430 GT?

    • Stradman
      Stradman Month ago

      @DrPittenstein Well lap times as you know can vary on a number of circumstances however representative best laps on Cup 2's at SS would be 2:26 and Spa 2:47

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein Month ago

      alex K channel what are your best times at SStone and Spa? The GT430 is considerably quicker than other Evoras you may be comparing your 996 to.

  • Mark Qandil
    Mark Qandil Month ago

    I have been using Cup 2 tires since 2014, when I bought my 991.1 GT3, then continued using them as I added more Porsches to my collection....GT4, then GT3 991.2 (manual), AMG GTR and finally GT2 RS. I had similar results & wear issues on my front tires on all my Porsches and my AMG , and I have experimented quite bit with different tires and also various camber sittings on both the front & back and yes the cup2 do favor very aggressive camber setting and limited preferred tire pressures range especially on the fronts to minimize this outside shoulder wear, but found out mostly the shoulder wear occurs as the tire approaches or exceeds it’s heat cycles limits. Cup2 tires in general will reach their heat cycle limit well before they physically wear out. Try to keep hot tire pressures around 29 to 32 psi, which means you probably start around 20 to 23 psi cold. In general I get now 4 to 5 track days out of a new set combined with around 3000 to 4000 miles of aggressive street driving. However if you place this much of street driving like I do, they will heat cycle out, as I indicated earlier well before they completely wear out, and of course their grip levels will reduce by as much as 10 to 20% and as soon as you approach the heat cycle limit, this shoulder wear start to show up on the very next track day, and the front tires will get chewed up on the outside. So the factors are front camber setting, and the combined use (track & street) of the tires, as they have limited heat cycles and you will use up the heat cycles driving aggressively on the street. You are better off having a dedicated track set, and you will probably get 2 additional track days. Finally couple of other observations, the new Cup2 N1 or N2 tires vs N0 seem to do better in terms of both shoulder wear and grip, but unfortunately they are available for the 295 section width but they are available for 305, and 325 section width for GT3, GT3 RS and GT2 RS. As for other tire brands, it is interesting to note my fastest times were always achieved on Dunlop’s Sport Maxx Race 2 vs cup2 or Trofeo R, but unfortunately the tire pressures fluctuate by as much as 15 to 20 psi after they heat up and you will need to adjust the pressures more often than the other tires, and the really bad news, they wear out so much faster than any other tire, that you are lucky if you get 2 track days out of a new set, but their grip levels are higher than cup2 tires and easier to control at the limit and do better in the wet. I also liked the Trofeo R, but it takes time to get them to temperature and the car is much harder to control at the limit, and in addition are horrible on the wet,,,,so I was able to get good lab times but I am never consistent on these tires, so I ended up going back to the Cup2 tires. One Final comment........ your tire sizes is the same as the tires I have on my GT4, and I ended up switching to RE 71-R and I am in love with these tires. Their overall grip is slightly lower than the cup 2 tires but I can do easily 7 track days and well over 6000 miles on the street on the same set, and you could run them all the way down to the wear bars with little loss of grip. Their wet performance, resistance to hydroplaning and cold temperatures characteristics is astounding and would give you a significant advantage under such conditions on track or the street. They need very little heat to start gripping, and not counting they are much cheaper. For the money they are probably the best street-track tire and I wish they are available for my GT3, & GT2 RS as I will switch and never look back. Hope this helps. Mark

  • Light and powerful

    I also have the same issue on my tyres. I asked my tyre guy and he said it was a common Michelin problem where the outside layer gets hot too quickly and the inner core is not up to temperature. His recommendation was don’t go 10/10 too early, let the tyres get a couple of laps to heat up properly.

  • Peter Karel Kraus

    It was a really nice but under powered car. It should have had the same 0-60 as the 911 turbo, which was the quickest car in the late 70's. 5 seconds lol

  • Charlie Drives
    Charlie Drives Month ago

    Great video! What are your thoughts between the 400 and the GT410s ? Are they worth the additional spend?

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein Month ago

      Thanks Charlie. Definitely a case of diminishing returns to go from 400 to 410 but some great deals out there for serious buyers which makes the cost to change a bit more reasonable. For road use the 400 has some advantages but for those looking to do more trackdays the GT410 is a great package.

  • Steve Holland
    Steve Holland Month ago

    Just fitted a set of cup 2s to my R26.R I’ll keep an eye on them

  • Layka was taken
    Layka was taken 2 months ago

    Beautiful review thanks for the nastolgia 😊

  • Mark Boodhoo
    Mark Boodhoo 2 months ago

    Another interesting video 👍 What do you think of Evija?

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 2 months ago

      Mark Boodhoo Stunning. Will be mind blowingly quick. 0-300kph < 9 secs. McLaren F1 did it in 22 secs!

  • Craig Yirush
    Craig Yirush 2 months ago

    Good to see you back!

  • 449Raphael
    449Raphael 2 months ago

    Who wants an overpriced supermarket Porsche that looks like a flattened beetle and finding them on every corner of the streets, when you can have a boutique car like a Lotus, that beats every car on the planet with the same power. Suspension and steering in daily driving is also a lot better and smoother. I sold my Carrera S4 after 4 months and went back to the real thing. I followed the herd to, but it was just a waste of time. Finally again a smile on my face.

  • Dave S.
    Dave S. 2 months ago

    1365 kg..that IS a Bad result... way-too heavy the same thing happened with the later Esprits; they need to thin the fibreglass down, reduce all the super-structure to bare minimum and go back to 4 cylinder Driver's Cars. All their Track Cars should be things like the 'Eleven'. The way they're going, they'll be making NightCrawler Supercars for fucking Arabs to drive around London. If they wanna make heavy cars, then bring out an SUV in a joint-venture as a Cash Cow.

    • Craig Yirush
      Craig Yirush Month ago

      RS2Russ so what? I’d much rather drive a slower, more analogue, car, than a heavy battery pack on wheels.

    • RS2Russ
      RS2Russ Month ago

      @Craig Yirush 0-186MPH in 9 seconds leaves you cold? I doubt it would if you tried it. That's a 2g acceleration.

    • Craig Yirush
      Craig Yirush 2 months ago

      DrPittenstein this is what I’m worried about. Despite all the hype about Geely, I fear the next gen cars will be heavier, more mass market, and possibly hybrids. I fear that the current range (which is superb after years of honing the cars) will be seen as a high point in the future. The Eviga leaves me cold.

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 2 months ago

      It was 1356kg with 45kg of fuel on board. That's a lot lighter than any modern 911. Lotus also offer the sub 900kg Elise and 1100kg Exige for those who want a lighter kerbweight figure. Lotus won't be making cars like these soon, best enjoy them while you can.

  • Mark Anderson
    Mark Anderson 2 months ago

    Interesting.

  • deadmoldable
    deadmoldable 2 months ago

    poor car, it hurts watching

  • Dave Gelink
    Dave Gelink 2 months ago

    Way too heavy for a Lotus

  • Paul Clark
    Paul Clark 2 months ago

    Good to see you back Dr P - look forward to some track content for 2019 👍🏼

  • Terry Low
    Terry Low 2 months ago

    What’s the purpose of the hole in the front bumper

  • Mighty-yt
    Mighty-yt 2 months ago

    Excellent and informative video, the corner weights are very impressive, @ 1357 that’s impressive. My 400 it’s registered weight is 1356kgs ( yeah right) I’ll now take mine to a weigh bridge to see what it says, my guess is 1450.

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 2 months ago

      Mighty-yt I believe the factory claim for the 400 was 1395kg wet but this is the lightest spec and probably without fuel.

  • JS240CUP
    JS240CUP 2 months ago

    This is excellent news Pittenstein. However, so I can truly sleep easy, could you please find a wind tunnel and corroborate the downforce claims too.

  • RS2Russ
    RS2Russ 2 months ago

    Always nice to see a Dr P video!

  • ak_zombie
    ak_zombie 2 months ago

    Good looking car for sure.

  • John S
    John S 2 months ago

    Thanks Needing new tyres for my Cayman S soon 👍

  • Martinos Morlandez
    Martinos Morlandez 2 months ago

    Nice work

  • onehorsepower
    onehorsepower 2 months ago

    Very informative vid. Weighing the car should be at least as important as doing dyno runs. Really is even more important as it affects the whole circumference of the circle of grip, not just the bottom part... The difference between the given weight (dry for supercars) and actual kerb can be shocking (4C, Ferrari...) PS: I interpret 'wet' weight as with an empty tank but all other fluids, otherwise it would be kerb weight which is with fuel [50% (autocar), 90%(din eu) or 100%]... Lots of confusion in this field, not the least because often the method of weighing is not defined properly...

  • JayEmm on Cars
    JayEmm on Cars 2 months ago

    That's about what I expected. The 400's manual says 1395kg with a FULL tank of fuel, and mine weighed about 1445kg including my lightweight seats (-15kg). DIN numbers actually should be 90% tank of fuel so about a 4kg difference. The good news here is that your car is genuinely about 100kg lighter than a 400, so that element of Lotus' figures was accurate. Thanks for making the vid - and I didnt skip to the end!

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 2 months ago

      @JayEmm on Cars I did my best to encourage the use of accurate wet weight figures. 20kg comes from the Lotus claim that aircon weighs 15kg and sound deadening 5kg. Might well be an underestimate, the ac on the Evora is certainly more effective than the Exige, it might use more heavy duty parts.

    • JayEmm on Cars
      JayEmm on Cars 2 months ago

      @DrPittenstein I did indeed notice the dry weights have disappeared too - I believe we have you to thank? In fairness I think 20kg for ac and insulation is quite low - most cars surely have at least 20kg of just the latter

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 2 months ago

      JayEmm on Cars i reckon you were expecting it to be heavier but both of my recent Lotus cars came within reasonable distance of the factory claim. Don’t know if you noticed but many Lotus figures have been revised since JMG’s departure. Claim for GT410 now comes in at 1361kg unladen.

  • stubones
    stubones 2 months ago

    Have you dyno’d the car to check the power figure is accurate - ish? That would be interesting :)

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 2 months ago

      stubones ru-clip.com/video/-HaJ7aQa7FU/video.html you can’t do this without some bhp. GT3 is quicker in a straight line no doubt but Evora compares well so I have no reason to doubt the bhp claim. Factory 430 Exiges seem to be just as quick at Komotec 460 tuned cars too.

    • stubones
      stubones 2 months ago

      DrPittenstein I guess power to weight is the key. I’d be interested to know the actual power figure though, because it’s likely they’re making a little more than advertised. The new supra was dynod at Surrey Rolling Road at 376hp and 401 lbs/ft, which is well over the claimed 335hp and 369 lbs/ft.

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 2 months ago

      stubones I don’t subscribe to the popular myth that Lotus don’t make their claims on the dyno, that has more to do with wheel sensors, you need a four wheel dyno to get an accurate reading. My car kept a 991.2 GT3 honest at Castle Combe, very hard to do without a good amount of bhp.

  • Runoratsu
    Runoratsu 2 months ago

    I've noticed the groove direction thing on the PS4 I run on my MX5 as well, and always wondered if that was in any way detrimental to their performance-thanks for clearing that up! I wish Michelin made left and right versions… because otherwise, I really like their tyres.

  • Lord 777
    Lord 777 2 months ago

    このマットグレーのnismoに一目惚れして4年半ですわ…

  • Sean Cain
    Sean Cain 2 months ago

    Yeah! You're back DrP... we missed you :-). Thanks for your latest film... mmm interesting point. I've only used 4S tyres on my Evora so haven't noticed that point. More updates / thoughts about your Evora 430 please when you have time, or any of your other toys.

  • Shrink1061
    Shrink1061 2 months ago

    Your argument doesn't quite hold up as these have a marked "outside" edge so the outside is always the outside no matter which way you run it. If you have one side looking different then it's the wrong way round ;) You're basically losing tread because you're always on clockwise circuits. Of course that is going to happen. The weight transfer of the car is loading up the front left. You can never avoid this type of wear in reality, best thing is to swap left to right if all you are doing is clockwise track days. It will even out the wear. Also even aggressive road camber wont prevent this kind of wear on track, you need to get quite significant camber on track. Ive spent some time this week In a GT3 RS which has been track optimised and has camber that doesn't work on the road, but the wear on the cup2's was even and flat. If you use your car on the road you have to accept high edge wear on track. If it's a track toy, give it more camber. It's not the tyres that are the problem here.

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 2 months ago

      How many track days does the GT3RS get out of a set of Cup2s?

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 2 months ago

      Take another look at the Cup2s. They are rotating forwards on the right side of the car and backwards on the left. Yes you should swap them over between track days to even out the wear but the tread can't be optimized for both sides of the car if it's only coming out of one mould. I believe Michelin chose the right side of the car as that's the pic they show in their marketing materials. It's not a big deal but I don't think many people are aware that they are compromised in this way. The ultimate version would be rotational, ie designed to rotate only one way which means you'd have optimized tyres on both sides of the car. Probably not worth it for most though.

  • DadsLoveCars
    DadsLoveCars 2 months ago

    DrPittenstein interesting video thanks. I have a 380 Cup with the original cup 2’s at 6800miles. Still around 2mm on the rear and 3 on the front. I agree they wear well for road and track, can’t complain. I’ve done 2 track days Anglesey (cold day) and Silverstone (wet!). So maybe not a good test yet. I don’t want to make the day cost £800 so always manage temps by doin 8-9 laps then come in to let them cool down. Will keep an eye on uneven wear and will swap sides now you’ve pointed it out :-) PS4s is an interesting point as the cups start with 4mm against the PS4s 7mm! Not sure if they would ruin the handling though. I find the cup2 useless in the wet! Anything with road tyres at Silverstone was passing me! Can I ask how you like the GT430 compared to your V6 cup? Also which tracks do you go to as I’m worried about noise at most (Anglesea and Silverstone wasn’t an issue) I had people telling me all day how loud my car was though!

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 2 months ago

      ru-clip.com/video/EKsOqKPaH1o/video.html

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 2 months ago

      Hi, you'll find plenty of videos on the GT430 including a back to back comparison around Silverstone with an Exige Cup 430 (which is much quicker than my original V6 Cup). When you're pushing on PS4s won't be up to the job and will overheat much sooner (esp with larger treadblocks). I'd stick with Cup2s. PS4s will only be better in the wet. I found no issues with noise at Castle Combe and Donington run noisy days too. You should be able to get on at Goodwood on a 105db day but it might be wise to short shift in the morning at least and save the full-on laps for later in the day. Brands has become really strict with noise unfortunately but there are still plenty of places to enjoy.

  • GRRacing 80
    GRRacing 80 2 months ago

    Hi, don’t know if you remember me, we spoke in the comments of your 3 Eleven video about the problems of the car I now own since early 2018. I recently found a solution for most things the car lacked in terms of how it handled... I dumped the Cup2 and changed to TrofeoR in 1inch smaller diameter front and rear and even went from 225 to 205 on the front. Result is amazing, finally I get some proper temperatures in the fronts (Cup2 barely got more then 50C no matter how hard I tried) therefore the massive understeer is nearly gone. Tire wear is also miles better, specially on the rear left I had the same damage like you at the fronts, exactly on the same area, the first outside 1cm... On my home track I gained over 4sec and tire wear is much less!

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 2 months ago

      Wow, amazing result. I think Trofeo R are the ultimate road legal track tyres but let everyone else use Michelin Cup2s! ;) Thanks for the update.

  • KoivuTheHab
    KoivuTheHab 2 months ago

    18k for *one* seat, haha!

  • zzkamikazezz
    zzkamikazezz 2 months ago

    My 380 Cup has done one track day and I am seeing the feathering on both rear tyre edges equally. The rear was breaking away first as I have quite a bit of negative camber up front so just put it down to them getting a proper work out on the rear. Other tyres have shown this in the past on other cars I have had, I have always just taken it as a sign they are getting used properly. Are the trofeo R still being made? Are they are allowed on the road? My 380 has the 285 on the rear which means very few options for me of I want to stay factory spec

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 2 months ago

      @zzkamikazezz ru-clip.com/video/rrLQpAt5Mes/video.html 4 years old now already and a paid endorsement but an interesting comparison all the same.

    • zzkamikazezz
      zzkamikazezz 2 months ago

      DrPittenstein that was a genuine question from me on the trofeos, just looking at the tread I would have expected not road legal now a days, but no knowledge. It would be great news of they are.

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 2 months ago

      My Exige barely wore the fronts. The grooves on the outer part of the Cup2s are a compromise for water clearance. Cup2s are better than Trofeos in heavy rain for sure. Trofeo Rs are still available but I believe Pirelli have discontinued the original Trofeo. I thought it was the Avon ZZR which was no longer road legal?

  • Zuf Florian
    Zuf Florian 2 months ago

    i umderstend tyre is markt only 'outside' and no rotation sens...

  • Zuf Florian
    Zuf Florian 2 months ago

    I think it's exactly the other way around, they've marked the ouside tire just so you can not use it on the other side sooner than the exterior always deteriorates faster.

  • Marcus Lim
    Marcus Lim 2 months ago

    An objective analysis would be to obtain tyre temperature across the thread.

    • Marcus Lim
      Marcus Lim 2 months ago

      Even on a clockwise circuit, the front left tyre should still have a slightly lower temperature on the outer shoulder than the inner thread. If the outer shoulder is hotter, even more -ve camber is required.

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 2 months ago

      I'll try a temperature probe on the new fronts at the next trackday but you'd expect the outer edge of the left tyres to be the hottest. I'd like to see a directional Cup2, the current one seems like a cost compromise.

  • PieterA
    PieterA 2 months ago

    Good observation. From what I've experienced Cup2s perform better than PS4Ss over a small window of time, but then degrade faster. Where PS4Ss perform not as well when setting a few hot laps but have a longer life in them. Have you tried the car with PS4Ss?

    • Lorenzo Clara
      Lorenzo Clara 2 months ago

      This is the difference between a road and a track tire.. By the way cup2 last more laps than ps4/4s. I tried all of them except 4s on a g.punto abarth with 280hp and bacci diff

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 2 months ago

      No I haven't yet. Sounds like a good suggestion before long euro trips and the like. I think wear rates will be satisfactory with the Cup2 if I swap tyres over left to right between trackdays. We're told it's the ultimate trackday tyre but really it's a very good road and track compromise.

  • ak_zombie
    ak_zombie 2 months ago

    Absolutely beautiful car. It's a shame they didn't produce more.

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 2 months ago

      Demand isn't there sadly, most people can't see past the obvious alternatives. The real shame is that more people didn't want one. Lotus sells 1500 cars a year. Porsche 250,000. More than the entire history of Lotus output every six months.

  • John Mitchell
    John Mitchell 2 months ago

    Are the Trofeo R more expensive than these Cup2's? What tyres did you use on the Exige V6 Cup?

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 2 months ago

      John Mitchell Yes Pirelli Trofeo R are about £400 a set more expensive. I doubt they will last as long but I would expect them to be faster on track. I had the original Trofoes on the Exige and then later the Avon ZZR. Both excellent.

  • James Silvester
    James Silvester 2 months ago

    Please don’t tell everybody how good they are, I am enjoying the exclusivity. A great video, many thanks.

  • Tony Gomez
    Tony Gomez 3 months ago

    Great

  • Ken Stephens
    Ken Stephens 3 months ago

    @DrPittenstein the choice may be made for me. Is there any chance I'd fit in the Exige at 6'3" and built like a fat rugby front rower? Typical issues for me are knees under dash, knees trapped between wheel and dash and headroom, even more so with helmet. Your advice will be much appreciated.

    • Ken Stephens
      Ken Stephens 3 months ago

      DrPittenstein Thanks again. My other option is a Ducati so a little messing about getting in and out of an Exige isn’t a big deal. That said, I’ll of course try both. Perhaps the Evora will suit better. Cheers

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 3 months ago

      @Ken Stephens I can't speak for anyone else but I get on fine with Exiges at 6'2". Evora is definitely better for bigger drivers as you have more head room plus an adjustable steering column which gets the wheel clear of your knees. Exige wheel is fixed. Getting in and out is much easier with the roof off so perhaps you could consider that if you still want an Exige.

    • Ken Stephens
      Ken Stephens 3 months ago

      @DrPittenstein Thanks heaps!

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 3 months ago

      Ken Stephens Hi Ken I’m sure you’ll be more comfortable in an Evora but where there’s a will, there’s a way!

  • Mark B
    Mark B 3 months ago

    Awesome driving, your reactions appear very instinctive and you never seem panicked even when the going gets slippery. You see a lot of videos of people driving silly fast Caterhams and everything looks very frenetic and on a knife's edge by comparison.

  • RS2Russ
    RS2Russ 3 months ago

    You might want to cut out the move at 13:00 !!

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 3 months ago

      RS2Russ sorry, not sure what bit you’re referring to?

  • Mayank Pawar
    Mayank Pawar 3 months ago

    Great Video! What's the name of the intro audio track?

  • Xose Aser Estévez Álvarez

    DrPittenstein : GREAT CAR & AMAZING SOUND...!!!

  • colin mathers
    colin mathers 3 months ago

    LOTUS KillS!!! 👽👽👽

  • William R
    William R 3 months ago

    You should paint it up to look like the 7 driven in 'The Prisoner'. :0)

  • The Opinionator
    The Opinionator 4 months ago

    ummm..where are you?...it's been months

    • The Opinionator
      The Opinionator 3 months ago

      DrPittenstein I understand...

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 3 months ago

      The Opinionator Kind of you to care but with total YT earnings to date only just covering the cost of camera equipment I’ve had stolen from the road, it’s too soon to give up the day job! Hope to be back racing soon in the supercharged CSR and will film that for anyone that might find it interesting.

  • 흙수저진그리
    흙수저진그리 4 months ago

    노랑 장난아니다 ㄷㄷ

  • Roy Hsieh
    Roy Hsieh 4 months ago

    love it every time when people throttles on these cars and the caption thought it was music.

  • Gary Barrett
    Gary Barrett 4 months ago

    What are the measurements of your front number plate if you dont mind me asking ?

  • Made In Machines
    Made In Machines 4 months ago

    Has that stone chip actually damaged the paint or just the film? Can it not be self-healed? I believe XPEL warranty doesn't cover any damage from stone chips or scratches - just manufacturing defects. "This warranty does not extend coverage to damage caused by normal wear and tear, road debris impact, accidents, collisions or intentional damage of any kind."

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 4 months ago

      Made In Machines self healing is a gimmick but XPel is clear and thin and the least visible of the films I’ve tried. Once torn it can’t heal itself. No warranty for track use either.

  • jeff deathrage
    jeff deathrage 4 months ago

    Grew up in middle amerika, never even SEEN a lotus7 irl. Very cool car....

  • 张学达
    张学达 4 months ago

    Great plus respecting

  • Alastair Faulds
    Alastair Faulds 5 months ago

    Wonderful 80s dream.

  • cali818
    cali818 5 months ago

    why the exhaust has double thing?....i dont know what they are called LOL

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 5 months ago

      extra silencer is to get past trackday noise limits

  • Ramtin SN
    Ramtin SN 5 months ago

    Evo 6 is a very nice car. I was looking for a TME here in New Zealand but it’s almost impossible. Bought a standard Evo 6 and it’s amazing! Only 80,000kms on it, engine runs mint and it stock standard apart from the rims. Best weekend car I’ve driven. As for rally cars, I’m looking to grab a GT4 as well because why not have a good line up of cars to have fun with. Great video mate!

  • Mark B
    Mark B 5 months ago

    Did you swap your Exige for this then?

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 5 months ago

      Mark B Yes, over a year ago now. It’s incredible.

  • Flaero
    Flaero 5 months ago

    Not really an R35 fan, but that looks insane!

  • Wilbur Mcbride
    Wilbur Mcbride 5 months ago

    I love this car but I've notice the GPS unit is gone. Is this optional on this Evora or not?

    • DrPittenstein
      DrPittenstein 5 months ago

      Wilbur Mcbride yes most GT430’s have the head unit with satnav mine is extra lightweight spec!

  • Frank Brechenser
    Frank Brechenser 5 months ago

    Nice Report. I Love both Cars. I have a Evora Sport 410 ,now with the EV 460 komotec kit and the Exige 350 Sport now with EX 370 Kit ( my first step) . I think both Cars are fantastic Cars when for you driving a Porsche PDK is boring ✌️